craps rules

What bets can I not make on the come out roll? Can I lay and place bets on the come out without making a pass/don't pass line bet?

You can make any bet on the table on the come-out roll with the following exceptions: come and don't come. Any other bet can be turned on during the come-out roll, including place bets, free-odds bets on points established via the come and don't come, and any prop bets.

In order to shoot the dice you must have a minimum pass or don't pass line bet. So if there's no one else at the table, you might have to make a line bet to get things going.

You cannot make Come or Don't-Come bets on the come-out roll; of course there is no need to, since the Pass and Don't-Pass serve the purposes. You also cannot place an odds bet on your Pass/Don't bet for the come-out roll, since there is no point number to define what the payout on such a bet would be. Other than that, I don't know of any wagers that are prohibited on the come-out roll that are allowed on other rolls.

Some wagers are normally not in play during the come-out roll, including place and buy bets and come bet odds, plus the hard-ways at some casinos. You can call those ON, though, and make them work.

Yes, you can have place bets working on a come-out roll without a line bet. I've never made a lay bet at any time, so I will defer on answering that part of the question.

Edit: Sorry -- question already answered 3 seconds earlier.

You need to type faster Doc!

Quote: Doc

You also cannot place an odds bet on your Pass/Don't bet for the come-out roll, since there is no point number to define what the payout on such a bet would be.

You can also take and lay odds on come and don't come bets for the comeout roll.

You can, and I have, bet the come and don't come on the comeout roll. The dealer will either have it travel, or add it to your passline.

I've had it travel, and then requested that it be added to my passline, to which the dealers always oblige.

The only bet's that you can't make on the comeout is odds and lay odds, AFAIK.

Even those bets, you can bet them, there is just no action on them (like place bets unless specified as working) so technically you can make those bets too, you just can't win them.

In other words, even every single craps bet that I know of is allowable during the comeout roll.

Just some of them don't pay, and some of them confuse dealers (sometimes). Sometimes you want to confuse dealers though.

Some dealers are so confused they give me back come bets when I say "EVERYTHING DOWN!"

LOL.

There are other details about what you can and can't bet that are good to know.

Like how to get a self-serve buy bet when you have a 4 or 10 point and you want more than 3x odds. $5 line, $10 odds and $20 self-service buy is better than $5 line, $15 odds and $15 self-service buy, by about $2 on the pay. But many details in the game are like this. Do it wrong, and it costs you an extra buck or two. But in general, don't look at max odds as a guideline for how to bet unless you are really seeking out only the max on freebies instead of trying to win more from rolling your point.

Knowing when, where, how, and why to bet even better than some dealers is often fun. Self-service buy bets next to your odds is a great way to step it up with style in a crowd rooting for the point.

Quote: Ahigh

The only bet's that you can't make on the comeout is odds and lay odds, AFAIK. Even those bets, you can bet them, there is just no action on them (like place bets unless specified as working) so technically you can make those bets too, you just can't win them.

Bets that lay free odds are always working, unless you pull them down. And you most definitely can lay or otherwise adjust in any which way the odds on your don't come bets.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Bets that lay free odds are always working, unless you pull them down. And you most definitely can lay or otherwise adjust in any which way the odds on your don't come bets.

You are correct. I failed to specify odds on the passline and lay odds on the Don't Pass not the DC bets. In all reality, instead of no action, they may even interpret a heel stack next to your don't pass bet to just be additional funds on the don't pass. Or make a comment about "thanks for the dealer bet." But good dealers would likely take the lay odds bet and set it behind the pass line closer to where you could pick it up before the next shooter threw the dice.

It is absolutely critical for a new player to realize that lay odds on DC bets always work unless called off. Especially if there's a big lay odds on a number that the new don't player doesn't realize is exposed to that number being rolled on the comeout roll.

Everyone here has given you a correct answer.

I just wanted to add that with the most common bets, place & odds on come, you must explicitly state that you want action on the come out. Most casinos will assume no action on the hard numbers.

I know of a player (a regular at Caesars) who will have $1,000 working on all of the numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10) on the come out roll. He does not "insure" this with an "any 7" and he has nothing on the pass or DP. If a number hits, he takes the payoff and takes down all the other bets and then goes off to play blackjack. He's been doing this for years making a few appearances at the craps table during each visit. I have never seen him lose his bets with a winner-7 on the come out.

Which reminds me of another player I was at a table with at Caesars. He only bet on "7" on the come out roll only. And he progressed his bets on "come out 7s" and one night I watched him lose more than a hundred thou because there were no "come out 7s."

Quote: AlanMendelson

I know of a player (a regular at Caesars) who will have $1,000 working on all of the numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10) on the come out roll. He does not "insure" this with an "any 7" and he has nothing on the pass or DP. If a number hits, he takes the payoff and takes down all the other bets and then goes off to play blackjack. He's been doing this for years making a few appearances at the craps table during each visit. I have never seen him lose his bets with a winner-7 on the come out.

Which reminds me of another player I was at a table with at Caesars. He only bet on "7" on the come out roll only. And he progressed his bets on "come out 7s" and one night I watched him lose more than a hundred thou because there were no "come out 7s."

Those are both semi-retarded systems (especially the second one), and you can be damn sure the first guy's lost with a seven on the come out at least once.

If I had to do a "one-off" bet like that, I'd lay the 4 and 10 for the max, preferably at a casino that takes no vig on the lay like Bill's. C'mon, seven!