Come-Odds Scheme

Latest two sessions have won with the following relatively easily, not big wins but steady $200-300 wins. Come-odds are a pain, but the low house advantage does seem to help with net results. Having reviewed my results over hundreds of sessions, come-odds are better than place bets, although I would still rather use place bets due to the ease of use. But the come-odds are worth the effort in long term results. Here it is:

Pass-odds and two come bets-odds to start the new shooter, the ole 3 point mollie. Then expand come bets on hits on either the pass-odds or come-odds, meaning IF get a hit then go to 3 come bets, another hit go to 4 come bets, another hit and go to 5 come bets. Playing with $5 base and level triple odds with $700 day session bankroll. Simply expansion come-odds betting on hits starting with the ole 3 point mollie, and always betting the pass-odds.

This is no big revelation or super scheme, just common sense betting taking advantage of the lowest house edge bets.

How are the come odds more of a hassle than place bets? both involve throwing chips at the dealer and announcing the bets you want...

Quote: dwm

Latest two sessions have won with the following relatively easily, not big wins but steady $200-300 wins.

Excellent, but do not expect every session to be a winner.

Too bad 99,999 out of 100,000 craps players think and feel this way, expecting to walk away a winner after every session played.
Useless and Priceless

Quote: dwm

Come-odds are a pain, but the low house advantage does seem to help with net results.

Only "seems" too?
An interesting observation.
The low HE of 0%?
What other casino bets allows this low house advantage of 0%?

Quote: dwm

Having reviewed my results over hundreds of sessions, come-odds are better than place bets, although I would still rather use place bets due to the ease of use.

In bold sounds like a craps racist statement to me.
come-odds are better than place bets.
(just like blacks are better than whites)
No proof given, just a blanket statement.

Wait!
Better in what way?
Winning percentages? Losing percentages??
Explain yourself man!

Those are exactly the same.
Come odds and Place bets win and lose at the exact same rates.
This agrees with my thousands of actual dice sessions tracked and billions simulated.
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Seems to me just maybe
you are making the place bets, and possibly too many place bets at the same time,
at the wrong time!

Make place bets only when you know they are going to win.
Just like sports betting. Bet on the team that is going to win, not the one you think that will win.
A big difference.

Fewer larger $ place bets IS better, to hit win goals - the only thing that really matters,
than many smaller $ place bets or smaller come bets with odds.
Why?
Variance and the ev/sd ratio.

Even the Wizard himself does not want to go there. Why?

Dice controllers,
and only 1 out of about 10,000 of them or so have the skill to alter the house edge to gain an advantage
but every dice control seminar seller will teach everyone for the same low price, knowing perfectly well
not everyone can develop the needed skill to be a true verifiable, no variance needed, DI.

Quote: dwm

But the come-odds are worth the effort in long term results.

Do you mean "long term" as 20 vs 100 bets, or 100 bets vs 500 bets?
You loosely use "long term" without quantifying it.
Why?

What is the fear man? (David Lee Roth?)

99,999 out of 100,000 craps players, on average - give or take a few...
play scared.
They also HATE to lose, even one bet.

Useless and Priceless

Quote: dwm

Here it is:
.......................................
This is no big revelation or super scheme,
just common sense betting taking advantage
of the lowest
house
edge
bets.

You look to be only making 2 of them lowest house edge bets. The 0% kind to be exact.
What have you got against the don't pass with lay odds and the don't come bets with lay odds?
The word don't?

I can easily view this as another slam against the don't bettors.
Like a boxman??

South Park back on.
All my words (together and not individually) are just BS anyways

Quote: 7craps

Make place bets only when you know they are going to win.

Works for me. And the way to know that is . . . .

No matter what bet you make, it works only if the dice go your way.

Or to put it another way: there is no betting scheme or strategy that can make you win at craps. The only way to win at craps is to get the dice to go your way.

All you have is a short term record of having the dice go your way.

Sorry, it's nothing more.

Update: Continuing to have good net positive results with above after playing it now for 15 sessions.

Simply pass-odds and 2 come-odds bets to start the new shooter, the ole 3 point mollie.
Then expand out on hits one at a time until get to 5 come-odds along with pass-odds. If get to 5 come-odds bets, then do not come down on hits, keep all covered(leave up as put bets) as this is a good hand and do not want to miss any action on the real good hands(which are too infrequent by the way). Also, when the odds bets come down on a natural 7 on the come out, start anew with just the 3 point mollie, then expand out on hits. Still playing with $5 base and triple odds with $700 day bankroll.

No big new super secret system(scheme) here, just good common sense gambling, if there is such a thing...

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Quote: 7craps

Wait!
Better in what way?
Winning percentages? Losing percentages??
Explain yourself man!

Those are exactly the same.
Come odds and Place bets win and lose at the exact same rates.
This agrees with my thousands of actual dice sessions tracked and billions simulated.

Disturbing false equivalencies aside, come odds win at the same rate and pay better. Not that hard to understand. It's like saying 3:2 blackjack is no better than 6:5 because you still hit blackjacks at the same rate.

Quote: 24Bingo

Disturbing false equivalencies aside, come odds win at the same rate and pay better. Not that hard to understand. It's like saying 3:2 blackjack is no better than 6:5 because you still hit blackjacks at the same rate.

I always play 6 to 5. Both numbers are bigger than 3 to 2 .

Quote: sodawater

Here is how I play craps when I do play:

1. Table minimum on the pass.
2. Once point is established, table maximum on free odds.
3. Table minimum come bet every roll that is not a come-out roll.
4. Table maximum come bet free odds.

This is my preferred method of play as well. Easy to do on a game like Joker's Wild with $1 minimums/10x odds. A bit harder at Riviera with $5 minimum/1000x odds ... !

Soda: Craps is fun only when winning, losing will always be a bummer and good socializing only occurs when players are winning. Everyone that is halfway sane knows there is no winning system, that is a math of the game. But there are myriad ways of betting this game that makes it interesting.

I have found that my expansion come betting helps with the bad hands when the shooter does the one roll per number and get spread out with no hits which happens during the bad spells. Have also used the continuous come betting as you play and it does not perform as well per my results.