How do I communicate my bets?
August 14th, 2012 at 12:46:20 AM
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I have played various online games and played some pass line by myself in Vegas but how do I communicate the more complicated bets to the dealers.
1a) I want to play don't pass. Do I place the chips on the don't pass section of the table or am I suppose to ask the dealer to do that?
1b) I want to lay the odds after a point is established for my don't pass bet. Do I place the chips behind the stack (on the little bar between the pass and don't pass areas or to the side of my bet in the don't pass area). I have seen videos with both ways. Do I need to announce what I am doing or signal in any way?
2a) I want to play don't come. Do I place the chips on the don't come section of the table or am I suppose to ask the dealer to do that?
2b) I want to lay the odds for that don't come bet. I assume I am not suppose to reach all the way across the table to do that, where do I place the chips and what do I say?
3a) I want to place a bet for the dealer. From what I understand I say "two ways" when I place my bet but how exactly does that work. I just say "Two ways" or do I say "don't pass two ways" or what?
3b) When I want to lay or play odds for a two way bet, is it assumed those odds are also two way or do you have to announce any odds that go two ways first?
1a) I want to play don't pass. Do I place the chips on the don't pass section of the table or am I suppose to ask the dealer to do that?
1b) I want to lay the odds after a point is established for my don't pass bet. Do I place the chips behind the stack (on the little bar between the pass and don't pass areas or to the side of my bet in the don't pass area). I have seen videos with both ways. Do I need to announce what I am doing or signal in any way?
2a) I want to play don't come. Do I place the chips on the don't come section of the table or am I suppose to ask the dealer to do that?
2b) I want to lay the odds for that don't come bet. I assume I am not suppose to reach all the way across the table to do that, where do I place the chips and what do I say?
3a) I want to place a bet for the dealer. From what I understand I say "two ways" when I place my bet but how exactly does that work. I just say "Two ways" or do I say "don't pass two ways" or what?
3b) When I want to lay or play odds for a two way bet, is it assumed those odds are also two way or do you have to announce any odds that go two ways first?
August 14th, 2012 at 2:40:27 AM
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1a) place the chips on the dont pass section of the table yourself when the button is off.
1b) lay your odds to the left of your bet if youre to the left of the stick. lay your odds to the right of your bet if youre to the right of the stick.
2a) place the chips in the dont come box yourself. the dealer will then move your bet to where it needs to go if a point is established.
2b) lay your odds in the dont come box and the dealer will move the bet to your dont come point.
3a) betting two ways means youre part of the wager for yourself and part of the wager for the dealer.
3b) two-way wagers are typically assumed to be 50/50 unless otherwise stated.
1b) lay your odds to the left of your bet if youre to the left of the stick. lay your odds to the right of your bet if youre to the right of the stick.
2a) place the chips in the dont come box yourself. the dealer will then move your bet to where it needs to go if a point is established.
2b) lay your odds in the dont come box and the dealer will move the bet to your dont come point.
3a) betting two ways means youre part of the wager for yourself and part of the wager for the dealer.
3b) two-way wagers are typically assumed to be 50/50 unless otherwise stated.
August 14th, 2012 at 2:52:31 AM
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Two additional notes:
First, tipping in craps usually comes in three different ways.
- Putting $1 next to your passline bet, then giving them odds. This or just flat betting $5 on the line. My favorite, and you don't even have to say a thing it's just understood by everyone that it's a tip.
- Have them ride a hardway with the table. So like, you'd throw in $6 and tell them "five and one" - $5 for you, $1 for the dealers. I've only seen that wording at one casino, but after you do it once they'll know exactly what you're talking about from then on out.
- Straight up toke, boring but effective. In other words, just handing them $5.
Secondly, odds when it comes to your Don't Pass line rules are weird. Sometimes they'll want to make a pyramid out of it, sometimes the odds with literally "lay" next to the stack. Just look like an idiot once, have them correct it for you, then do it that way from then on out. The main thing is that this is where you can really cheat, so I think they have to please the boys upstairs (you cheat by adding to your even money DP bet rather than its odds) - one of our dealers here can maybe explain it.
First, tipping in craps usually comes in three different ways.
- Putting $1 next to your passline bet, then giving them odds. This or just flat betting $5 on the line. My favorite, and you don't even have to say a thing it's just understood by everyone that it's a tip.
- Have them ride a hardway with the table. So like, you'd throw in $6 and tell them "five and one" - $5 for you, $1 for the dealers. I've only seen that wording at one casino, but after you do it once they'll know exactly what you're talking about from then on out.
- Straight up toke, boring but effective. In other words, just handing them $5.
Secondly, odds when it comes to your Don't Pass line rules are weird. Sometimes they'll want to make a pyramid out of it, sometimes the odds with literally "lay" next to the stack. Just look like an idiot once, have them correct it for you, then do it that way from then on out. The main thing is that this is where you can really cheat, so I think they have to please the boys upstairs (you cheat by adding to your even money DP bet rather than its odds) - one of our dealers here can maybe explain it.
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August 14th, 2012 at 3:12:02 AM
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Great questions. Glad you wanted some advice first.
If you're playing the don't it would be best to stand at the end of the table, closer to the dealer--the one making the payouts--NOT near the stickperson. You don't have to be there, but the initial don't come bet you need to place yourself. Since the box is typically near the base dealer, you would have to reach across the table if your next to stick, or throw it. So standing next to the dealer just makes it easier for you.
1a--Yes, you put the chips on the don't pass yourself. As you probably already know, you must be there during the come out, you can't go on after a point is established.
1b--I think everywhere wants the odds NEXT TO the flat bet, and heeled off. Heeled off is when the stack is offset from the bottom chip, so the stack of chips are leaning slightly. But on which side depends on which side of the table you're on. Where I work, they want the odds heeled towards the base dealer. Some places don't care. As long as you set them next to the bet, heeled off, the dealer may switch it to make sure it's in the right spot. Take mental note so you can be sure you're putting it in the right spot in the future.
2a--Again, the Don't come you put there yourself. You might want to say it's a DC the first time or two, but you won't have to keep saying it's a DC, the dealer will learn your habits (hopefully).
2b--For the odds you'll have to set those in the DC area and tell the dealer "odds for the six" or whatever the number. If you want to take them down, you'll have to tell the dealer to take the odds down.
3b--As for tipping, there's no right way to do this, but my suggestion is if you've got $5 or $10 then put $1 ON TOP of your bet and say "Dealers on top". I would think they would just take the two bucks after you win. Different places handle it different, they may have to let you give them the winnings. This is easier than having two different DC bets since it's such a small area. Also I would be inclined to forego the odds for the dealers. It could just get kinda weird and possibly slow down the game. Just make sure you make enough flats to make up for what you would have done in odds. PLus it's up to you to deem what is enough action for the dealers. A lot of people have different opinions for what is enough. A buck on two different bets per shooter seems sufficient.
If you're playing the don't it would be best to stand at the end of the table, closer to the dealer--the one making the payouts--NOT near the stickperson. You don't have to be there, but the initial don't come bet you need to place yourself. Since the box is typically near the base dealer, you would have to reach across the table if your next to stick, or throw it. So standing next to the dealer just makes it easier for you.
1a--Yes, you put the chips on the don't pass yourself. As you probably already know, you must be there during the come out, you can't go on after a point is established.
1b--I think everywhere wants the odds NEXT TO the flat bet, and heeled off. Heeled off is when the stack is offset from the bottom chip, so the stack of chips are leaning slightly. But on which side depends on which side of the table you're on. Where I work, they want the odds heeled towards the base dealer. Some places don't care. As long as you set them next to the bet, heeled off, the dealer may switch it to make sure it's in the right spot. Take mental note so you can be sure you're putting it in the right spot in the future.
2a--Again, the Don't come you put there yourself. You might want to say it's a DC the first time or two, but you won't have to keep saying it's a DC, the dealer will learn your habits (hopefully).
2b--For the odds you'll have to set those in the DC area and tell the dealer "odds for the six" or whatever the number. If you want to take them down, you'll have to tell the dealer to take the odds down.
3b--As for tipping, there's no right way to do this, but my suggestion is if you've got $5 or $10 then put $1 ON TOP of your bet and say "Dealers on top". I would think they would just take the two bucks after you win. Different places handle it different, they may have to let you give them the winnings. This is easier than having two different DC bets since it's such a small area. Also I would be inclined to forego the odds for the dealers. It could just get kinda weird and possibly slow down the game. Just make sure you make enough flats to make up for what you would have done in odds. PLus it's up to you to deem what is enough action for the dealers. A lot of people have different opinions for what is enough. A buck on two different bets per shooter seems sufficient.
