Which casino is good to go as a first trip?

I'm preparing for a trip to Vegas on May 25 - May 28.
Since I've never been to Vegas before, I don't know which casino is good for card counting~
I'll use hi-low to counting card, or maybe just looking around, and don't play because I'm a newbie.

My friend told me NYNY has good six deck rule with decent penetration. Is this real?

According to the Blackjack Survey:
https://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/?sort=hedge&dir=asc
I saw a lot of casino such as MGM, Wynn, Caesars palace, Bellagio, Mirage have the same 6 deck rule, S17, DAS, LS, RSA with house edge of 0.28%.

So are they the same beatable? What's the difference?

I know lots of casino have more than 1 kind of table, how can I find the table with the rule I'm looking for? Can I ask the pit boss by telling them the specific rule? Is that drawing heat?

I appreciate any response! Thanks for teaching me!

an ex-coworker used to work in vegas...i asked him the same thing & he spoke very highly of MGM, Mirage, Bellagio, & Harrahs. he couldn't really speak for deck pen. if you ask me, just about any 6D game in that area seems relatively fair/beatable (@ least among reputable establishments).

Thank you.
But I think those casinos have the same rule, why MGM, Mirage, Bellagio, & Harrahs are better than others? Pen?

Quote: WangSanJose

Pen?

Penetration.

Note: I don't think it matters too much. If you look at table left you usually see a small card showing the rules. Ask individual dealers.

If you start at Bellagio you will have fun and good dealers but your level of play is not likely to be noticed and you are unlikely to ever be offered Comps at less that "two Greens" in play.

Penetration matters more than anything else, if you are a card counter. Otherwise, deeper penetration has a slightly negative effect on the basic strategy player.

I would probably change your strategy a bit. Since you've never been to Vegas before, you WILL be overwhelmed with the sights, sounds, eye candy and grandeur of it all. While you want to play games that are good for you, I think card counting will be a LOT tougher on you than you think, especially the first couple of days.

I would try to play a property just for fun, and get a feel for who will appreciate your business. From the list you have, you might be most satisfied with either MGM or Mirage. Bellagio only wants super high roller action, and even though they are all in the same family, they are still independent. MGM is big, but your play could still warrant some free rooms and food. Mirage is also big, but is not as high profile as it once was. Get acquainted, have fun, then start making a move at counting.

Have fun when you go out! Vegas is like no other place on Earth, except maybe Macau.

Edit: I HIGHLY doubt that Harrah's will have those favorable rules, even in the high limit room. Even if they do, they are unlikely to comp your action, though future offers should fix that.

Yeah, Harrah's looks out of place on that list. I don't think any CET properties have S17 anymore, with the possible exception of Caesers in the high-limit room (I've never been there, but I have heard). I know that MGM, Mirage, and Bellagio all have some S17 games, but usually at $25 or $50 minimums depending on the day of the week and time of day. S17 is a dying breed.

Quote: AcesAndEights

Yeah, Harrah's looks out of place on that list. I don't think any CET properties have S17 anymore, with the possible exception of Caesers in the high-limit room (I've never been there, but I have heard). I know that MGM, Mirage, and Bellagio all have some S17 games, but usually at $25 or $50 minimums depending on the day of the week and time of day. S17 is a dying breed.

thanks.
50 is too high for me. Especially in this memorial day vacation I think.

Quote: Tiltpoul

I would probably change your strategy a bit. Since you've never been to Vegas before, you WILL be overwhelmed with the sights, sounds, eye candy and grandeur of it all. While you want to play games that are good for you, I think card counting will be a LOT tougher on you than you think, especially the first couple of days.

I would try to play a property just for fun, and get a feel for who will appreciate your business. From the list you have, you might be most satisfied with either MGM or Mirage. Bellagio only wants super high roller action, and even though they are all in the same family, they are still independent. MGM is big, but your play could still warrant some free rooms and food. Mirage is also big, but is not as high profile as it once was. Get acquainted, have fun, then start making a move at counting.

Have fun when you go out! Vegas is like no other place on Earth, except maybe Macau.

Edit: I HIGHLY doubt that Harrah's will have those favorable rules, even in the high limit room. Even if they do, they are unlikely to comp your action, though future offers should fix that.

Yea, that's what I'm thinking of. Even though I read blackjack book for couple of months, and I haven't give it a try, I don't expect to win big money in this trip. Just looking around the condition, and hopefully find a decent rule to play a little bit.
I'm from Asian, and I've been to Macau tons of time.
I have a question, how to get comps? Don't I need to play a lot of money in order to get free rooms and food?
BTW, how about NYNY? My friend recommended me this casino, and he won a lot in NYNY, he's a card counter.
Thanks for the valuable information!

Quote: WangSanJose

BTW, how about NYNY? My friend recommended me this casino, and he won a lot in NYNY, he's a card counter.
Thanks for the valuable information!

The last time I was at NYNY, there were no S17 tables. I did not play blackjack so I can't really comment on the penetration. It's not exactly a high-roller place, so large bets would probably get some attention.

Quote: WangSanJose

I'm from Asian, and I've been to Macau tons of time.
I have a question, how to get comps? Don't I need to play a lot of money in order to get free rooms and food?
BTW, how about NYNY? My friend recommended me this casino, and he won a lot in NYNY, he's a card counter.
Thanks for the valuable information!

If you do not plan on coming back frequently, I would recommend concentrating your play at the hotel you are staying at. That way you may get your room and perhaps meals paid for (be sure to charge those expenses to your room). A future offer is no good if you are not in a position to take advantage of it.

Do you mean that I shouldn't book a hotel room before I go? Just go there and play, then ask for free room?

Quote: WangSanJose

Do you mean that I shouldn't book a hotel room before I go? Just go there and play, then ask for free room?

NO, not at all... don't take the risk of not being able to get a room, or a last minute rate hike because you don't have anywhere else to stay.

Find a casino that looks interesting to you; don't worry too much about the BJ rules. If you aren't willing to play at least $50 a hand, you're not going to find a casino that gives you great rules that you are looking for. Bellagio MAYBE on a Monday morning for about an hour, but don't expect to get the room comped. DO stay away from lousy rules places, like Caesars properties (Flamingo, Bally's, Caesars Palace, Harrah's, Imperial Palace, Planet Hollywood and Paris, though Paris does have some okay games on the floor).

Book the room directly through the casino. It might cost you a little more upfront, but if you intend on playing a lot there, you should get a rate reduction at the least. If you're wanting to go for a comp room, consider heading off the strip, like Tuscany or Downtown. For your first trip, despite what other people on here might say, you SHOULD stay on the Strip. It's too iconic and an experience you'll never forget.

Quote: Tiltpoul

NO, not at all... don't take the risk of not being able to get a room, or a last minute rate hike because you don't have anywhere else to stay.

Find a casino that looks interesting to you; don't worry too much about the BJ rules. If you aren't willing to play at least $50 a hand, you're not going to find a casino that gives you great rules that you are looking for. Bellagio MAYBE on a Monday morning for about an hour, but don't expect to get the room comped. DO stay away from lousy rules places, like Caesars properties (Flamingo, Bally's, Caesars Palace, Harrah's, Imperial Palace, Planet Hollywood and Paris, though Paris does have some okay games on the floor).

Book the room directly through the casino. It might cost you a little more upfront, but if you intend on playing a lot there, you should get a rate reduction at the least. If you're wanting to go for a comp room, consider heading off the strip, like Tuscany or Downtown. For your first trip, despite what other people on here might say, you SHOULD stay on the Strip. It's too iconic and an experience you'll never forget.

Is there a comp room? I think I can go to that room and ask the comp option. thank you~
I'm going tomorrow, long way drive from San Jose, so exciting :)

Quote: WangSanJose

Is there a comp room? I think I can go to that room and ask the comp option. thank you~
I'm going tomorrow, long way drive from San Jose, so exciting :)

Yes. There is such a place. However, without a history at the property, you will not get anything for free until you "prove" yourself with your betting action. Tiltpoul's advice is solid, book your room directly through the hotel website (not a third party, i.e., Expedia, Travelocity, etc.). If you book through a third party, they will have difficulty comping your room, if they can do it at all.

In any case, have fun! This is your first trip, so plan on seeing the sights more than playing. Consider it a scouting trip for next time.

If you have a car, try the M Resort about 8 miles south of the strip. They have a great double-deck game with some tables at a $10 minimum. Plus, there is rarely a crowd...On my last visit to Vegas, I played head's up at the M for almost four hours (6 - 10 AM).

Thanks for the information! I'll try it next time because I don't know how to play double deck game.(different strategy number & etc) This casino is even not on the blackjack survey list~

I booked my hotel at Priceline.com.
If I booked from the hotel website, how can I take advantage of it? Bring the receipt, and show it to the pit boss or something like that?
I heard that card counter should't show their personal information because they will remember you, and this action would draw heat if I'm willing to play often. Is that true?

Quote: WangSanJose

I booked my hotel at Priceline.com.
If I booked from the hotel website, how can I take advantage of it? Bring the receipt, and show it to the pit boss or something like that?
I heard that card counter should't show their personal information because they will remember you, and this action would draw heat if I'm willing to play often. Is that true?

If you're a KNOWN card counter, this could possibly be true... again, don't worry about it this trip. You won't be counting for enough dollars to make a difference.

If you book through the hotel, they will have all your information. Since you already went through Priceline, you're out of luck. Still, do all charges (restaurant, etc.) to your room; you're likely to get much of those comped.

the M Resort has H17 double deck which is $10 minimum, and S17 double deck game which is $100 minimum. Is that correct?