PhattyD
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May 12th, 2012 at 7:33:05 AM permalink
Dan- So you work for a casino, and that's why you are upset about this. I get mad when people shoplift from me, but I think there is a big distinction from card counting (legal skill) and stealing (illegal- skilled or not). And it's also not us against them. It's me against me; can I really learn a skill well enough to profit from it? What a rewarding challenge.

I could probably count out loud and not be told to leave. It's a bar first, gaming second. I'm approaching this like a hobby to see if I have the mental fortitude. I can count down a deck pretty quick and getting good at online trainers, but I'm sure to go down in a blaze at a real table. Maybe Tues or Wed night this week. Stay posted.
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WangSanJose
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May 30th, 2012 at 6:13:49 AM permalink
Table limits: $1-$25, 4 decks, BJ pays 3:2, Double any two cards, DAS, Re-split aces up to 4 hands, dealer stands on soft 17.
What a nice rule. You definitely should play this as a part time job.
BTW, where is this game? It's too good, no CSM?
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WangSanJose
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May 30th, 2012 at 6:14:19 AM permalink
Table limits: $1-$25, 4 decks, BJ pays 3:2, Double any two cards, DAS, Re-split aces up to 4 hands, dealer stands on soft 17.
What a nice rule. You definitely should play this as a part time job.
BTW, where is this game? It's too good, no CSM?
Great
PhattyD
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January 14th, 2014 at 6:52:30 AM permalink
So, it's been a while since I've posted anything (still visit daily) but had to share. Last night playing at my usual haunt, I saw the craziest thing. It will NOT be topped. Understand that no one was intoxicated at the table. It was just me and another guy at the table and he would take insurane everytime. He was playing about $10 a hand, two spots. So this cost him quite a bit over the night. Bad, but not crazy. We are into the third shoe and now he starts to insure MY bets?! He even started tipping in my area and was almost obsessed with filling the tip jar they have. (3"-4" cubed container)

Side note and part of the thread topic: for year ending 2013, I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!
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FleaStiff
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January 14th, 2014 at 7:28:53 AM permalink
Quote: PhattyD

So, it's been a while since I've posted anything (still visit daily) but had to share. I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!

Thanks for sharing and we hope you continue to visit and contribute. Its real nice to have someone who pays YOUR insurance premium. Please mention me to your friend when my car insurance is next due.

ALL of Vegas know its a sucker bet to take insurance, even though they really have no idea why.

Did you make any suggestions to him? I prefer it when fellow players don't tell me what to do but its often nice to discuss a successful deviation from Basic Strategy.
PhattyD
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January 14th, 2014 at 7:44:02 AM permalink
He was pretty friendly and after several lost insurance bets I told him I don't think that's a good bet. He would also take even money everytime as well. When he started putting insurance bets for me, the dealer and I just looked at each other smiled, and shrugged our shoulders.
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January 14th, 2014 at 9:58:25 AM permalink
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He was pretty friendly and after several lost insurance bets I told him I don't think that's a good bet. He would also take even money everytime as well. When he started putting insurance bets for me, the dealer and I just looked at each other smiled, and shrugged our shoulders.



You say he made the insurance bet for you but I'm assuming that he got the money when the dealer had a blackjack. I've been known to insure other players' hands and usually get the same reaction that you and the dealer had. I wouldn't want it any other way.
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BizzyB
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January 14th, 2014 at 11:09:50 AM permalink
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My real job has me working 4 days on, 4 days off. I feel worthless on my 4 days off and want to get a part time job. Could Blackjack be the answer? All the bars in town offer the best blackjack you can find. Table limits: $1-$25, 4 decks, BJ pays 3:2, Double any two cards, DAS, Re-split aces up to 4 hands, dealer stands on soft 17. All proceeds go to charity so even if you lose, it goes to people who need it! Can the Wizard's Ace 5 count beat this game, or should I really learn to count (hi-lo maybe) and earn som MAD money?

The recent trip report by Aces really got me thinking that with a little work, I can make this happen!



I've never heard of a charity blackjack game that doesn't lose on a push.
AxiomOfChoice
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January 14th, 2014 at 11:15:37 AM permalink
Quote: PhattyD

So, it's been a while since I've posted anything (still visit daily) but had to share. Last night playing at my usual haunt, I saw the craziest thing. It will NOT be topped. Understand that no one was intoxicated at the table. It was just me and another guy at the table and he would take insurane everytime. He was playing about $10 a hand, two spots. So this cost him quite a bit over the night. Bad, but not crazy. We are into the third shoe and now he starts to insure MY bets?! He even started tipping in my area and was almost obsessed with filling the tip jar they have. (3"-4" cubed container)

Side note and part of the thread topic: for year ending 2013, I am up $2600 thanks to this and WOO site! Maybe not a ton, but not too bad either!



I was just reading over this thread, and I have a few comments/questions...

1. What count did you end up using?
2. What is the penetration? This is far more important than good rules.
3. They will let you buy insurance on other peoples' bets? This can be a goldmine if there are other players betting big. Proper insurance is the most valuable of the strategy deviations; if you can do this for MORE than half your bet it is (obviously) worth a lot more. It might cause heat where there was none before, though.
4. How much are you spreading?
5. Is your $2600 profit from only this blackjack game, or something else as well? Either way, congrats!
BizzyB
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January 14th, 2014 at 11:35:19 AM permalink
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Card counting couldn't be more shamless when you account from where the costs come, - or are from or are paid from:

1. ALL PLAYERS - as a casino OR gambling hall cannot charge "discreet theft of services" - except to someone - which is ALL players. It is kind of like countefeiting movie tickets or transit passes that drive up the prices for ALL participants. NO way around this.

2. AND those someones are the honest players footing the bill on the greedies' and skimmers' behalf; the casono isn't footing it. We just jack up the house edge and costs to account for your theft of services. The real deal here. The result is lousy games with huges house edges, that the good-faith players will indeed cover - on behalf of the charity or service skimmers - who think in some assinine fantasy that they are Robbing Hood. You are not Robbing the casinos - we'll just have to charge all of your sorry asses even more money to play, - and we will.
You're just robbing the fellow good faith player that you openly call stupid, - and you will be stopped.


Sounds like you now work for Stations also.
Take the money from them if they count badly - let them hang themselves and take their cash - if they can't rip off the casino operators correctly - but nail them to the boards - if they do it well.
Isn't this kind of like pawning for cash, an expensive power tool that a jewel thief left behind on a failed bank job?

"Oh look - a Black and Decker XP 7500 drill left behind from the attempted robbery on my company's safe! Let's pawn it for some cash!
F8ck the eveidence, - or its source in a crime. It's cash money!
Certainly, this is not how we think in the gaming industry...is it?
Dirty Sh*tty money is simply that!

You Don't want ANY of it in the clean casino business, now, Mike.
Dirty Money is simply that.
Ian Anderson was backed off when he lost, because he was caught. Even when he had lost. He wrote about it.
Play like that, and take the knowingly questionable money...if it is one way that is....
That was integrity. or wasn't.
issues here...

It is very hard to expel the clear and dead-to-rights cheats - when you ALSO have to expel them with the money your business could have had in its coffers.
THAT is the ethical action - and NOT question....

Good faith follow works...

Dirty money one way...
Dirty money every way...



Seriously? Getting lucky and winning drives up the prices for everyone else the same way. Maybe everyone should just lose on purpose, because this would surely make for 'lower prices', right? The casinos give the worst returns as possible, period. Geography, population, climate, and competition force casinos to offer better conditions to attract customers. A densely populated area with zero counters and zero casinos anywhere near it will have terrible 'prices', and an area with a sparse population will have good 'prices'. The threat of counting alone causes casinos to FORFEIT profits by decreasing deck penetration in games with extremely 'low prices', certainly not pass 'theft' off to the customer. You are so off base here it is borderline ridiculous.

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