PopCan
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April 4th, 2012 at 12:27:34 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Even with early surrender against both, I think the game still has a slight edge for the house, since it's 8 decks and H17. This link which you provided shows a 0.06% house edge off the top, not player edge.



I should have clarified that earlier. That BS engine doesn't have an option for resplit aces which reduces the edge by about 0.08% bringing the edge of his game to about 0.02% in the player's favor.
AcesAndEights
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April 4th, 2012 at 2:16:40 PM permalink
Quote: PopCan

Quote: AcesAndEights

Even with early surrender against both, I think the game still has a slight edge for the house, since it's 8 decks and H17. This link which you provided shows a 0.06% house edge off the top, not player edge.



I should have clarified that earlier. That BS engine doesn't have an option for resplit aces which reduces the edge by about 0.08% bringing the edge of his game to about 0.02% in the player's favor.


Ah, right. I was wondering about that actually.

It still seems unlikely that the game has a player edge off the top (by allowing ES against aces). Sure, very few players follow basic strategy so the casino would probably still realize an effective edge. But I feel like the APs would descend on the game from across the nation. Of course, maybe that process has begun as of yesterday :). I notice ShiftyRicky hasn't posted today...
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ShiftyRicky
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April 7th, 2012 at 10:16:22 PM permalink
Sorry all, i have been swamped here at work. It seems all the AP's got together and came in...just joking. We had a huge concert here and I have been boged down with that and meetings.

We DO NOT take from the pool, Tilt was right, when we get to $25 we drop a ANTE LAMMER. In which case we have to pay for each one dropped.

Surrender...8D is on any dealer up card you want and has Early Surrender option. (even against A's and Faces); DD is Just plain surrender...against any card.

Lets face guys/gals, most of the BJ playing population doesn't care two craps about BS. I do have every month, AP's coming in to play, we don't sweat it, hat bad :)
As I have said we are very very player friendly. We are mostly a grind joint, but I am working on that. I have opened a High Limit Room, and have convienced the uppers that we need to target better players and retain them. It is a work in progress....

Thanks for all the feedback !!!
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April 7th, 2012 at 10:47:23 PM permalink
"target better players"...yeah right.
oh hi mr casino manager, i am a really good BJ player.
can you direct me to your high limit room so i can take a few black chips to the cage?
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ShiftyRicky
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April 7th, 2012 at 11:09:25 PM permalink
Okay, by better, i meant a better tier of player. Try to bring in bigger action and get more consistant action from our middle tier players. Everyone got used to having $2 players and I am trying to bring our avg bet up.
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April 8th, 2012 at 12:39:19 PM permalink
I have only been to one Indian casino. It was here in Colorado at Sky Ute. DD BJ $5 Minimum and $15 Maximum.

Can someone explain the ante to me. Lets say at the game is house backed for a day. House win is $500. 25cent Antes added up
to another $500. Does the House keep 10% for management fees, the State keep 10%, and 80% get returned to the players in some manner.
If I am out to lunch as usual, please give me an example of how it really works. THANKS
PopCan
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April 8th, 2012 at 2:12:53 PM permalink
House gets the $500 in Antes and 10% of the $500 win for the day for a total of $550. Of the remaining $450 win, $50 goes to the state and $400 is returned to the players. Although, I'm not sure if the house & state take their percentage out of the shift, daily, monthly, quarterly, etc. win.
buzzpaff
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April 8th, 2012 at 5:15:42 PM permalink
Quote: PopCan

House gets the $500 in Antes and 10% of the $500 win for the day for a total of $550. Of the remaining $450 win, $50 goes to the state and $400 is returned to the players. Although, I'm not sure if the house & state take their percentage out of the shift, daily, monthly, quarterly, etc. win.



Thanks, POP. ( being 71 I don't get to say that often )

Under that scenario if Ricky is paying the ante from the pool, he is Trickier than advertised. One last question, if I may ?

Nonhouse-banked card games means any card game in which the tribe has no
interest in the outcome of the game, including games played in tournament formats and
games in which the tribe collects a fee from the player for participating, and all bets are
placed in a common pool or pot from which all player winnings, prizes and direct costs
are paid. As provided herein, administrative fees may be charged by the tribe against any
common pool in an amount equal to any fee paid the state; provided that the tribe may
seed the pool as it determines necessary from time to time.

Common pool from which all players winnings, prizes, ans direct costs are paid.

What exactly are direct costs? Are dealer's salaries, lights, air conditioning, etc paid from that pool ? Or from the 10% administrative fees ?
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mdh
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April 16th, 2012 at 11:48:55 AM permalink
ShiftyRicky I was at your fine casino last week and the rules are fine but that .50 cent ante is the killer. BTW what made you decide to encase the tent with a metal building. I always thought the original design was pretty cool. Next time there I will be sure to play during no ante hrs (I am assuming Buffalo Run is the casino that is being talked about here).
ShiftyRicky
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April 16th, 2012 at 2:57:03 PM permalink
mdh, thank you for coming in, I hope you didn't have any trouble with the storms that blew thru here. They decided to give us a "face lift"...i always liked the tent myself.
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