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billionaireben
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June 29th, 2011 at 11:21:44 AM permalink
I think this is new, it wasnt listed last time I was in vegas (early this month). Tuscany has a single deck game with rules comparable to El Cortez (no doubling restrictions), but a much nicer place that doesnt bar everyone who happens to win a few bucks.

The main question is what is the deck penetration?

Second, how wide a bet spread is tolerated?

I got away with 10-1 spread on single deck and 20-1 spread on Double deck, but it was double on 10,11 only for the single deck game and double deck had good rules but was usually crowded and had 50% penetration on the dot every time.
teddys
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June 29th, 2011 at 1:10:48 PM permalink
Did you see it there on your trip? Last time I was there (late May), they only had double deck.

Pioneer in Laughlin has the same game, as do a couple in Reno (JA Nugget, Boomtown, Western Village, Alamo, Terrible's Rail City).
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dlevinelaw
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June 29th, 2011 at 1:24:21 PM permalink
I saw this game at $10 a hand back when I stayed at Tuscany in October. I seem to remember a now DAS rule.
CRMousseau
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August 1st, 2011 at 12:01:01 AM permalink
I'm surprised the Wiz hasn't chimed in, since he won a crisp Benjie off of me for my error in estimating their heat level. $10-$40 spread, no smart talking, I said I wouldn't last 30 minutes. They were preoccupied with tossing out the drunk guy next to me (I was livid when the security squad came my way and missed), and after returning to the game after doing some partying with friends by the pool, I came back and lasted another 10 minutes before getting flat bet.

Bear in mind that I was probably down four digits that day at craps, and bear in mind I might have been making a fat $2 per hour, given that I was getting the mighty three rounds heads-up. The back off came from the shift manager, who was almost apologetic, suggesting this isn't the first time he's had to do it.

The rank paranoia in that place is staggering, second only to the Smell Cortez, which currently holds the record for outright barring me for my epic 1:1 spread. I'm thinking of getting my last name legally changed to Gaughan and coming back for a new players card, then doing it again, seeing if they are too worried about my 'connections' to drop the boot again.
FleaStiff
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August 1st, 2011 at 1:44:36 AM permalink
>Bear in mind that I was probably down four digits that day at craps,
Sorry to hear that. I doubt the BJ pit personnel knew of that though. Its quite likely that they would not have considered it at all even if they had known of it.

>and bear in mind I might have been making a fat $2 per hour,
That is about four dollars an hour too much. Its not that you are cheating, its that you are winning!

> given that I was getting the mighty three rounds heads-up.
???
Does this mean that the heat started at three rounds or that the back off took place at three rounds?

Regarding bet variation: How would Tuscany have treated you at 1:2? How much per hour would you be making then?
fremont4ever
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August 1st, 2011 at 3:46:30 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

> given that I was getting the mighty three rounds heads-up.
???
Does this mean that the heat started at three rounds or that the back off took place at three rounds?



Neither. What I'm fairly certain he meant is while he was there, he was getting three rounds dealt to him before being shuffled up on. That's about a third of the deck, on average. Not good enough to make much money on.
FleaStiff
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August 1st, 2011 at 5:11:30 AM permalink
Oh, so just about as soon as he determined what the count was and perhaps was on the verge of applying this knowledge to the amount of his bets they re-shuffled.

So its really Single Deck Blackjack with a semi-automatic shuffling machine. So why did they bother to call over the shift manager, all they had to do was keep shuffling for awhile.
Wizard
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August 1st, 2011 at 7:48:16 AM permalink
According to the Current Blackjack Newsletter the Tuscany is all six-deck now. However, I don't like to just copy the CBJN, so need go there to verify it.
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teddys
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August 1st, 2011 at 8:49:53 AM permalink
Wizard: I can verify that the single-deck game was gone as of mid-May of this year. I seem to remember a double-deck game though.

Paranoia probably get the better of them. Shame.
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FleaStiff
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August 1st, 2011 at 10:19:04 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Paranoia probably get the better of them. Shame.

Some suit thinks that if he submits a memo about card counters he can get a real management job.

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