What's the reasoning behind this ?
April 11th, 2011 at 12:24:45 PM
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I often prefer to play 2 hands at the table minimum BJ for entertainment and smoother ups and down. Almost everytime
I am told I must double my bet on each spot. I don't and neither do the other people I have seen challenged when they do
this. I am talking weekdays, never a full table for hours, etc. I am reluctant to double my bet on one spot, let alone
quadruple my bet per dealer hand,
Can't be for protection against counters. Never see crap players or slot players told to double bets ? Why BJ ??
I am told I must double my bet on each spot. I don't and neither do the other people I have seen challenged when they do
this. I am talking weekdays, never a full table for hours, etc. I am reluctant to double my bet on one spot, let alone
quadruple my bet per dealer hand,
Can't be for protection against counters. Never see crap players or slot players told to double bets ? Why BJ ??
April 11th, 2011 at 12:41:22 PM
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I have had the same requirement at Pai Gow Poker. I think at Paris in Vegas and several places in Biloxi.
April 11th, 2011 at 12:45:59 PM
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This is just a WAG (Wild Ass Guess):
If you're taking two spots to reduce your variance, the casino wants you to double the bet to increase your variance.
If you're taking two spots to reduce your variance, the casino wants you to double the bet to increase your variance.
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April 11th, 2011 at 1:19:54 PM
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April 11th, 2011 at 1:35:52 PM
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I think they do that to avoid new players having difficulty finding an open spot. In Macau and Panama there is no such policy.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 11th, 2011 at 2:04:52 PM
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I can understand that on busy times with player's waiting I am talking about slow even dead times. Plus in Colorado Regs I see nothing allowing the casino's to do that. Will request house rules next time I go to Blackhawk to check out Switch BJ Bet house rules don't cover it either. If so I might challenge it any of guys I went to dealers school with think pit boss is a jerk. LOL
April 11th, 2011 at 2:06:24 PM
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Quote: gofaster87i dont think that doubling your bet affects variance. In VP variance is always the same at any denomination. Its the pay schedule and game that determines variance. I may be wrong.
I don't know anything about VP, but if you are making the same bet at the same payout ratio, doubling the amount you bet each time does indeed increase your variance (absolute amount, not percentage). Doubling the bet size doubles the variance. Think of it this way: if you increased each wager to 1000 times your normal bet, wouldn't you expect your bankroll balance to jump around a lot more?
April 11th, 2011 at 2:20:12 PM
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Quote: DocI don't know anything about VP, but if you are making the same bet at the same payout ratio, doubling the amount you bet each time does indeed increase your variance (absolute amount, not percentage). Doubling the bet size doubles the variance. Think of it this way: if you increased each wager tp 1000 times your normal bet, wouldn't you expect your bankroll balance to jump around a lot more?
Your absolute variance will increase, but so will your absolute expected value. The ratio of the two should stay the same.
Playing two spots in Blackjack however will not have the same effect, as there is some correlation between the two hands.
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April 11th, 2011 at 4:00:48 PM
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Quote: WizardI think they do that to avoid new players having difficulty finding an open spot. In Macau and Panama there is no such policy.
There is no such policy in Connecticut either.
April 11th, 2011 at 4:29:38 PM
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I never heard the term varaiance before visiting this forum. Many years ago in AC I had forgotten that Monday next was a NY Holiday, so
this Sunday night was standing room only. Wife was pregnant and I got her a seat next to me a $10 BJ table. We played until 6 am . I lost $610. She won
$800 . Doing shat I told her as far as splitting, DD, etc. If I can I prefer to play two spots and smooth things out. Sure as hell won't double my bets per dealer round to do this, that's for sure. Will test the water as to whether or not bgaming will back me up on my next visit to Blackhawk. Theses are the same people who had a discard rack taped on Digital 21 table to comp,y with regs.
this Sunday night was standing room only. Wife was pregnant and I got her a seat next to me a $10 BJ table. We played until 6 am . I lost $610. She won
$800 . Doing shat I told her as far as splitting, DD, etc. If I can I prefer to play two spots and smooth things out. Sure as hell won't double my bets per dealer round to do this, that's for sure. Will test the water as to whether or not bgaming will back me up on my next visit to Blackhawk. Theses are the same people who had a discard rack taped on Digital 21 table to comp,y with regs.
April 11th, 2011 at 4:55:32 PM
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Seneca Niagara does not require an increased bet at their tables to play 2 spots. I will sometimes play 2 spots but will always give one up if a player is waiting.
April 11th, 2011 at 8:32:44 PM
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When Colorado had a $5 max bet another player at third base bet$3 ( table minimum )on one hand and $5 on the last hand,
He was told he had to play $5 on both. Since I had gone to dealer's school with the pit boss I later asked him why. He said
so the player could not burn cards on the $3 hand to protect the $5 hand . How astute !
He was told he had to play $5 on both. Since I had gone to dealer's school with the pit boss I later asked him why. He said
so the player could not burn cards on the $3 hand to protect the $5 hand . How astute !
April 11th, 2011 at 8:35:40 PM
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Quote: buzzpaff... so the player could not burn cards on the $3 hand to protect the $5 hand . How astute !
And just how would that player know which cards should be burned on the $3 hand? How do you know when the $5 hand has been adequately protected so that you can hit it with the next card?
Or is that what you meant?
April 11th, 2011 at 8:43:28 PM
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That's exactly what I meant. at the crap tables, know what they are doing. Some poker dealers go on to be great poker players.
I find most bj dealers and bosses to be clueless, Can't tell you how many times I have heard them brag about barring a counter in Colorado. All while the min/max bet was $5 DUH!!!!!
I find most bj dealers and bosses to be clueless, Can't tell you how many times I have heard them brag about barring a counter in Colorado. All while the min/max bet was $5 DUH!!!!!
April 12th, 2011 at 12:32:34 AM
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This seems absurd to me and if no one is waiting I rather doubt there could be and valid reason for it. You can sit there and play one hand and relay Harvey's instructions to the dealer for the other hand for all the casino cares. As long as each betting circle contains the minimum bet what would be the problem unless the casino feels that spaces are about to get critical.Quote: buzzpaffI often prefer to play 2 hands at the table minimum BJ for entertainment and smoother ups and down. Almost everytime
I am told I must double my bet on each spot.
Is there a difference for a player's bankroll between playing two separate hands at X each versus playing one hand at 2X dollars?
April 13th, 2011 at 7:53:12 AM
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April 13th, 2011 at 9:37:54 AM
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Quote: gofaster87When I made my quote earlier I was mistaking variance with volatility. My mistake.
The error was all mine. I expected some stupid reason in Colorado. After all I have seen drunks barred as counters after doubling hard 12. This while at a $5 min #5 max table. Even the world's greatest BJ player " George " can't beat that game. backed off 2spots by same rule in Vegas and Laughlin. Only 3 players at the tables including me and my wife,
