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mkl654321
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:55:02 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

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In the Wizard's blackjack survey, DAS is allowed in all but 27 of his 186 rows. It is far more prevalent to be able to Double after split than not.



Yes and no. Most casinos now have some kind of bastardized BJ, like "Party Pit" or "Fun 21", where blackjacks pay even money or some such horrible modification. Most games like that do allow DAS. It's very rare to find a game with decent rules (like, 3:2, S17) that also allows DAS.
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boymimbo
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January 23rd, 2011 at 11:56:26 AM permalink
Check the Wizard's survey again, then. His chart only shows true blackjack games at 3:2. The casinos that DO not offer DAS are:

Poker Palace
Main Street Station
Fremont (double deck and $3 only)
Hooters (single deck)
Sam's Town
California

The casinos in the list below offer a combination of DAS and no DAS games:
Four Queens (Single and double decks only)*
Golden Nugget (double deck)*
El Cortez (single deck)*
Excalibur*
Fitzgeralds (double deck)*
Binions (single deck)*
Tuscany (single deck)*

Harrah's Corporation
Paris (double deck)*
Planet Hollywood (double deck)*
Caesar's Palace (double deck)*
Ballys (double deck)*
Flamingo (double deck)*
Rio (double deck)*

Note that the MGM group do not have any blackjack games that do not offer DAS in blackjack.
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kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 9:02:37 AM permalink
most common error IMO is not hitting 12 or 13 on a dealer 2
jonfourtwenty
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February 15th, 2011 at 2:41:40 AM permalink
In the UK (where the dealer does not check for blackjack) I would have to also include doubling 11 vs 10 and 11 vs ace is also common.

The biggest mistake though is taking even money. I would estimate that 80-90% of all players will take even money in this country.
JIMMYFOCKER
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February 15th, 2011 at 4:41:00 AM permalink
Good thread
LovinItAll
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February 21st, 2011 at 11:43:10 AM permalink
Quote: clarkacal

Not only do most players not hit a soft 18, many grumble and complain when you do.



this....
PGBuster
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February 27th, 2011 at 3:10:12 AM permalink
In my five years in the business in Iowa, I definitely have to say its hitting/doubling soft 18. I was supervising one day and a player asked what the correct move was with A/7. I told the player to hit (It was versus a face card). The dealer began arguing with me, saying the player should stand. Fortunately for me, my shift manager came over and took my side. (I usually carry a copy of the Wizard's BJ strategy card in my pocket. I've also carried his UTH/M-Stud strategy card in my pocket as well).

I thought about writing the dealer up for arguing with me on a live game, but declined. Another dealer got into an argument with me when she told a player to hit hard 13 against a 3. As she was returning from break, I told her that if she didn't want to give correct basic strategy, then she shouldn't do it at all. She threw a fit and stomped back towards her game.

A very close second place is 4/4. Many players believe in the old and inaccurate adage of "Never split anything that begins with F". I've taken massive amounts of crap when I do this as a player. I've had to defend players who split their fours against a five or six. Far more common is the dreaded double down on hard eight. I used to speak up but rarely do anymore because people think I'm a "bad guy for the house".

I think teaching dealers basic strategy would be an excellent idea. Unfortunately, the house would never go for it.
teddys
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February 27th, 2011 at 6:55:22 AM permalink
You are a rare soul, PgBuster!
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benbakdoff
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February 28th, 2011 at 12:33:06 PM permalink
Quote: PGBuster

In my five years in the business in Iowa, I definitely have to say its hitting/doubling soft 18. I was supervising one day and a player asked what the correct move was with A/7. I told the player to hit (It was versus a face card). The dealer began arguing with me, saying the player should stand. Fortunately for me, my shift manager came over and took my side. (I usually carry a copy of the Wizard's BJ strategy card in my pocket. I've also carried his UTH/M-Stud strategy card in my pocket as well).

I thought about writing the dealer up for arguing with me on a live game, but declined. Another dealer got into an argument with me when she told a player to hit hard 13 against a 3. As she was returning from break, I told her that if she didn't want to give correct basic strategy, then she shouldn't do it at all. She threw a fit and stomped back towards her game.

A very close second place is 4/4. Many players believe in the old and inaccurate adage of "Never split anything that begins with F". I've taken massive amounts of crap when I do this as a player. I've had to defend players who split their fours against a five or six. Far more common is the dreaded double down on hard eight. I used to speak up but rarely do anymore because people think I'm a "bad guy for the house".

I think teaching dealers basic strategy would be an excellent idea. Unfortunately, the house would never go for it.



Why are you arguing with dealers in front of the players? Is it possible that the dealer who told the player to hit the hard 13 against a 3 was a card counter? It's the correct play at TC -2 in a shoe game. There are many other index plays including the dreaded doubling of that hard 8.

If a player asks me directly about a particular play, I'll always refer them to basic strategy. If I'm not asked I say nothing. I don't want the pit critters to hear me explaining the game in depth. I prefer to let them keep thinking that they're smarter than me.
PGBuster
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February 28th, 2011 at 2:01:29 PM permalink
The argument was off the game and not within earshot of players. The dealer was definitely not a card counter; she could barely deal the game. Furthermore, our rules state that a player may "only advise the player in basic strategy", so even if she was a counter, it would be in violation of the rules. As for the A/7, there's enough incorrect information out there amongst players. I don't need dealers giving the same inaccurate information out. To an informed player, it shows incompetence.

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