Telling a dealer "Dummy up and deal"
November 11th, 2024 at 2:42:10 PM
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OK here's something I have been encountering a lot of at the tables since coming to Vegas.
I do a lot of esoteric stuff. Not much of my play is classical counting, which is exoteric and done to death. So my bets sometimes look a little unusual.
Thus I often have a conversation with a dealer that goes like this:
"You can't bet like that, you have to..."
"Yes I can."
"The rules say you have to... you can't..."
"Yes I can."
"FLOOR!"
"Do you see what he's doing? He's trying to bet..."
"Yes he can."
"That settles it. I can. Let's have some cards, please."
"But... but... but... but..."
And afterwards she is grudging every win, grumbling during each hand like a shop steward when someone take an extra smoke break. "This shouldn't be allowed... you're not supposed to... I don't know why..."
It takes willpower to not say "Shut your @#$%&! gob and just deal the @#$%&! cards!"
Of course, willpower and self-control being basic skills for all APs those words do not come out. But I was wondering who else encounters this and what are some good ways to shut it down. The less I am involved with calls to the floor, disgruntled dealers, any kind of attention or self-heat the better.
I do a lot of esoteric stuff. Not much of my play is classical counting, which is exoteric and done to death. So my bets sometimes look a little unusual.
Thus I often have a conversation with a dealer that goes like this:
"You can't bet like that, you have to..."
"Yes I can."
"The rules say you have to... you can't..."
"Yes I can."
"FLOOR!"
"Do you see what he's doing? He's trying to bet..."
"Yes he can."
"That settles it. I can. Let's have some cards, please."
"But... but... but... but..."
And afterwards she is grudging every win, grumbling during each hand like a shop steward when someone take an extra smoke break. "This shouldn't be allowed... you're not supposed to... I don't know why..."
It takes willpower to not say "Shut your @#$%&! gob and just deal the @#$%&! cards!"
Of course, willpower and self-control being basic skills for all APs those words do not come out. But I was wondering who else encounters this and what are some good ways to shut it down. The less I am involved with calls to the floor, disgruntled dealers, any kind of attention or self-heat the better.
November 11th, 2024 at 2:47:46 PM
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Havent encountered this much from dealers before !
Im shocked yet not surprised its out there in the dealer world. Your right - just shut up and deal the cards needs to be said (in a nice way) . LoL
I wonder why they would be that way especially when it directly affects their potential tips.
Im shocked yet not surprised its out there in the dealer world. Your right - just shut up and deal the cards needs to be said (in a nice way) . LoL
I wonder why they would be that way especially when it directly affects their potential tips.
November 11th, 2024 at 3:15:33 PM
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Can you give us a hint as to what your unusual bets look like and why they bother dealers?
Instead of saying "yes I can" you should smile and say "I think it's allowed, can you ask for me please?"
Being polite works wonders. If they continue to be rude just ignore it or change tables if possible. It's important to remember that these casino employees have spent thousands of hours dealing with some of the most miserable people in the world in an extremely toxic environment. Of course that doesn't excuse their rudeness, but if YOU act pleasant and respectful, you'll find that the majority of dealers will act the same way.
Instead of saying "yes I can" you should smile and say "I think it's allowed, can you ask for me please?"
Being polite works wonders. If they continue to be rude just ignore it or change tables if possible. It's important to remember that these casino employees have spent thousands of hours dealing with some of the most miserable people in the world in an extremely toxic environment. Of course that doesn't excuse their rudeness, but if YOU act pleasant and respectful, you'll find that the majority of dealers will act the same way.
November 12th, 2024 at 2:21:54 AM
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If your game can fade it, a lot of dealers really don't care how weird you play if you're toking.
May the cards fall in your favor.
November 12th, 2024 at 9:19:14 AM
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I would want to know if the "unusual bet" is a procedural error or a different way of playing.
Not a dealer but another player told me I could not pick up a Don't Pass bet. He was trying to impress his woman. I caused him to emasculate himself when he protested to the dealer. Wrong play math wise, but it worked out for me and well we do not always follow the math when having a little fun. So, if it was a play like that and the dealer was new and protested I would just call FLOOR and get a pit boss to rule.
Now, if it was splitting 10s vs. a dealer 6 and the dealer knew you were allowed but it was a bad play that is a different story. I asked a dealer about it and he chuckled, "do you want to start a war?" I said I didn't care and did it. That play has worked and cost me but again, it can be fun. In that case I would say politely tell the dealer you can. I might add even say "I know it might not be right but I like to play around a bit." Even a head tilt and a look could do it. Let the dealer think they are in the right as long as you get to keep playing. Because what you do not want is a note in your PC file that you are "difficult."
Not a dealer but another player told me I could not pick up a Don't Pass bet. He was trying to impress his woman. I caused him to emasculate himself when he protested to the dealer. Wrong play math wise, but it worked out for me and well we do not always follow the math when having a little fun. So, if it was a play like that and the dealer was new and protested I would just call FLOOR and get a pit boss to rule.
Now, if it was splitting 10s vs. a dealer 6 and the dealer knew you were allowed but it was a bad play that is a different story. I asked a dealer about it and he chuckled, "do you want to start a war?" I said I didn't care and did it. That play has worked and cost me but again, it can be fun. In that case I would say politely tell the dealer you can. I might add even say "I know it might not be right but I like to play around a bit." Even a head tilt and a look could do it. Let the dealer think they are in the right as long as you get to keep playing. Because what you do not want is a note in your PC file that you are "difficult."
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November 12th, 2024 at 5:59:59 PM
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It's all Projection, someone in their life gave them sh*t and now they want to Project that onto someone else! You just happen to be the desired target for that day!
November 12th, 2024 at 6:04:53 PM
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@AutomaticMonkey, how the hell are you betting that it causes dealers to object?!
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November 12th, 2024 at 6:21:25 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejay@AutomaticMonkey, how the hell are you betting that it causes dealers to object?!
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Suffice it to say that on certain tables at certain games, there are several bets. Some are better than others, and even "bad" games can have bets where large advantages appear sometimes, and in that case I am betting a lot more on a good thing than a bad thing.
November 12th, 2024 at 6:40:31 PM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: MichaelBluejay@AutomaticMonkey, how the hell are you betting that it causes dealers to object?!
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Suffice it to say that on certain tables at certain games, there are several bets. Some are better than others, and even "bad" games can have bets where large advantages appear sometimes, and in that case I am betting a lot more on a good thing than a bad thing.
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So you're not gonna tell us. Got it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
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November 12th, 2024 at 7:16:04 PM
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Quote: AutomaticMonkeyOK here's something I have been encountering a lot of at the tables since coming to Vegas.
I do a lot of esoteric stuff. Not much of my play is classical counting, which is exoteric and done to death. So my bets sometimes look a little unusual.
Thus I often have a conversation with a dealer that goes like this:
"You can't bet like that, you have to..."
"Yes I can."
"The rules say you have to... you can't..."
"Yes I can."
"FLOOR!"
"Do you see what he's doing? He's trying to bet..."
"Yes he can."
"That settles it. I can. Let's have some cards, please."
"But... but... but... but..."
And afterwards she is grudging every win, grumbling during each hand like a shop steward when someone take an extra smoke break. "This shouldn't be allowed... you're not supposed to... I don't know why..."
It takes willpower to not say "Shut your @#$%&! gob and just deal the @#$%&! cards!"
Of course, willpower and self-control being basic skills for all APs those words do not come out. But I was wondering who else encounters this and what are some good ways to shut it down. The less I am involved with calls to the floor, disgruntled dealers, any kind of attention or self-heat the better.
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She sounded rude and unprofessional. I'd have half a mind to report her to her Supervisor. 😵💫
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November 12th, 2024 at 7:51:03 PM
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Quote: DeucekiesSometimes for good reasons posters need to be vague or should be vague. You just have to think about what they are saying. To me he spelled it out pretty clearly.Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: MichaelBluejay@AutomaticMonkey, how the hell are you betting that it causes dealers to object?!
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Suffice it to say that on certain tables at certain games, there are several bets. Some are better than others, and even "bad" games can have bets where large advantages appear sometimes, and in that case I am betting a lot more on a good thing than a bad thing.
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So you're not gonna tell us. Got it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
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November 12th, 2024 at 8:01:56 PM
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Once I tried to hit A,7 against a 10 (which is the proper basic strategy play) and the dealer tried to talk me out of it. I politely told him that I preferred to hit. I wound up losing the hand and he gestured to his cards and shook his head at me and frowned, like I was an idiot. I asked him, "Do you often talk yourself out of your tips?"Quote: NathanShe sounded rude and unprofessional. I'd have half a mind to report her to her Supervisor. 😵💫 link to original post
I was counting cards in those days and I always tipped, not just for the cover, but because I thought it was appropriate, though I didn't like the fact that it reduced my chances of realizing a profit. So I was kind of relieved when the dealer gave me a good excuse to not tip. Same as when a cabbie told me that the restaurant I wanted to go to had burned down and he recommended a different one and he automatically started going there without my assent. I insisted on going to the destination I specified, and when we arrived and it was intact, I didn't tip and told him why, nice to have a good excuse not to.
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November 12th, 2024 at 8:46:03 PM
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Based on what he said it sounds like you should pretty easily be able to figure out why his bets might look weird... but just my opinion.Quote: DeucekiesSo you're not gonna tell us. Got it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
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Ever see a blackjack player bet $1 on the hand and $100 on the side?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
November 12th, 2024 at 9:52:40 PM
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Quote: Romes
Ever see a blackjack player bet $1 on the hand and $100 on the side?
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Quite frequently actually. Not $1, it has to be table minimum, but I get your point. I had a hunch that was what he was getting at, but couldn't imagine a dealer not knowing that rule. In sixteen years dealing, I've only dealt one game where the side bet could not exceed the main bet, so I assumed that kind of action was fairly common.
But I don't see the need for secrecy in this case. Reverse-betting is hardly revolutionary.
But I don't see the need for secrecy in this case. Reverse-betting is hardly revolutionary.
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November 12th, 2024 at 10:20:50 PM
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Opinion on the Tyson vs. Paul fight in the other thread, please...Quote: RomesBased on what he said it sounds like you should pretty easily be able to figure out why his bets might look weird... but just my opinion.Quote: DeucekiesSo you're not gonna tell us. Got it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
link to original postEver see a blackjack player bet $1 on the hand and $100 on the side?
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November 13th, 2024 at 6:52:49 AM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayOnce I tried to hit A,7 against a 10 (which is the proper basic strategy play) and the dealer tried to talk me out of it. I politely told him that I preferred to hit. I wound up losing the hand and he gestured to his cards and shook his head at me and frowned, like I was an idiot. I asked him, "Do you often talk yourself out of your tips?"Quote: NathanShe sounded rude and unprofessional. I'd have half a mind to report her to her Supervisor. 😵💫 link to original post
I was counting cards in those days and I always tipped, not just for the cover, but because I thought it was appropriate, though I didn't like the fact that it reduced my chances of realizing a profit. So I was kind of relieved when the dealer gave me a good excuse to not tip. Same as when a cabbie told me that the restaurant I wanted to go to had burned down and he recommended a different one and he automatically started going there without my assent. I insisted on going to the destination I specified, and when we arrived and it was intact, I didn't tip and told him why, nice to have a good excuse not to.
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Dealer shouldn't have FROWNED at you when you lost the hand, he should have shrugged and said,"Better luck next time." 🤔💡 I thought the Cabbie who told you the Restaurant had burned down and you insisted on going there anyways was going to end with the restaurant HAD burned down and you STILL didn't tip him because he shouldn't have started driving to another Restaurant without your assent. 🤔💡 And instead took ANOTHER cab to the Restaurant he was trying to take you in the first place purely out of principle. 🤔💡
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November 13th, 2024 at 7:58:00 AM
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Quote: RomesBased on what he said it sounds like you should pretty easily be able to figure out why his bets might look weird... but just my opinion.Quote: DeucekiesSo you're not gonna tell us. Got it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
link to original postEver see a blackjack player bet $1 on the hand and $100 on the side?
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I've never seen a dollar BJ table with a decent sidebet.
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November 13th, 2024 at 3:00:53 PM
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Feel free to use the line that I use:Quote: MichaelBluejayOnce I tried to hit A,7 against a 10 (which is the proper basic strategy play) and the dealer tried to talk me out of it. I politely told him that I preferred to hit.
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The book says hit, and Im friends with the author. 😁
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November 13th, 2024 at 4:25:17 PM
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Quote: NathanQuote: MichaelBluejayOnce I tried to hit A,7 against a 10 (which is the proper basic strategy play) and the dealer tried to talk me out of it. I politely told him that I preferred to hit. I wound up losing the hand and he gestured to his cards and shook his head at me and frowned, like I was an idiot. I asked him, "Do you often talk yourself out of your tips?"Quote: NathanShe sounded rude and unprofessional. I'd have half a mind to report her to her Supervisor. 😵💫 link to original post
I was counting cards in those days and I always tipped, not just for the cover, but because I thought it was appropriate, though I didn't like the fact that it reduced my chances of realizing a profit. So I was kind of relieved when the dealer gave me a good excuse to not tip. Same as when a cabbie told me that the restaurant I wanted to go to had burned down and he recommended a different one and he automatically started going there without my assent. I insisted on going to the destination I specified, and when we arrived and it was intact, I didn't tip and told him why, nice to have a good excuse not to.
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Dealer shouldn't have FROWNED at you when you lost the hand, he should have shrugged and said,"Better luck next time." 🤔💡 I thought the Cabbie who told you the Restaurant had burned down and you insisted on going there anyways was going to end with the restaurant HAD burned down and you STILL didn't tip him because he shouldn't have started driving to another Restaurant without your assent. 🤔💡 And instead took ANOTHER cab to the Restaurant he was trying to take you in the first place purely out of principle. 🤔💡
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Many dealers like to be the Armchair QB or in this case, play the hand "their way" with YOUR money! Simply because they want the Kudos and to feel superior to the Ploppies they see dropping their money like bird seed at the park.
Had a similar situation where the dealer was insisting the right play with 9-9 vs Dealer 7 was a split. I knew better and politely declined.
She kept saying "Last chance... Split em and win Double!!!" I firmly waived it off. She flipped a 3 in the hole, pulled a 10 and kept shaking her head as she scooped up my chips. It then intensified to "Told ya! See woulda had TWO 19s!"
I replied "Only for you to pull the next 10 and beat both... and then what???" She goes "You don't Know that, better to have two 19s vs one 18!" I sit out the next hand and the player on the end of the table says "You done"??
I says "When the next two cards come out and are 10 cards, so I can show this know it all, then I'm done!"
Dealer pulls the cards as quickly as possible, but it was clear as day when she revealed 3rd Base's 1st card was a King and her 1st card to be a 10!
"Just like I thought, you'd Kill both 19s with a 20 and I'd lose double... Now I'm DONE!"
