Card Counting Quirks?
Quote: acesideI’m confused here. Are you European? Why do you not talk about these double-down situations:
11 vs. 10,
10 vs. 9,
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in which player pushes dealer a lot of times. These hands happen frequently too, in American Blackjack.
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Me was referring to negative counts, Ace man. It’s not in line with probability to see 10, A in negative counts. Even worse, the indices say to not double against A, T, 9 in negatives. You lose bigger than in neutrals. I go with probability. In negative counts dealer shows mostly 2-6 which are best the situations for DD by far. I know Europe too. I never DD against 10/A no matter what. Doubling has the very lowest win rate against A, T.
Quote: toolypQuote: acesideI’m confused here. Are you European? Why do you not talk about these double-down situations:
11 vs. 10,
10 vs. 9,
…
in which player pushes dealer a lot of times. These hands happen frequently too, in American Blackjack.
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Me was referring to negative counts, Ace man. It’s not in line with probability to see 10, A in negative counts. Even worse, the indices say to not double against A, T, 9 in negatives. You lose bigger than in neutrals. I go with probability. In negative counts dealer shows mostly 2-6 which are best the situations for DD by far. I know Europe too. I never DD against 10/A no matter what. Doubling has the very lowest win rate against A, T.
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I won about $500 in one hour running Wizards BJ online player. The intriguing fact is I won mostly in negative counts. I had 1 BJ but multiple DD hands. I won 1 Ins and lost 1. The dealer had 3 BJs. I “reshuffled” (started 2 games).
I should be allowed to show a screenshot of Wizards video player.
https://www.geocities.ws/roulette/WizardBJapp.jpg
Of course, my positive performance was in big part the result of headsup play. With multiple players I doubt seriously my performance would’ve been the same. “There are other players at the table” as Nor put it in his forum. That is, the planet alignment is harder to take place for one particular player, regardless of count.
The maximum bet of $100,000 is clearly out of this world. Spread of 1-20,000 will never be possible in this world in our lifetime. I would be very happy with limits of 5-1000 as Atlantic City had in the good old days!
I see this BJ player is really fair. It has no reason to deceive. I doubt I’d say the same about an online player. I mean in an online casino playing for real money. I have avoided such play for the past 10 years at least. I wouldnt play Bj online even with $500 bonuses.
Quote: toolypQuote: toolypQuote: acesideI’m confused here. Are you European? Why do you not talk about these double-down situations:
11 vs. 10,
10 vs. 9,
…
in which player pushes dealer a lot of times. These hands happen frequently too, in American Blackjack.
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Me was referring to negative counts, Ace man. It’s not in line with probability to see 10, A in negative counts. Even worse, the indices say to not double against A, T, 9 in negatives. You lose bigger than in neutrals. I go with probability. In negative counts dealer shows mostly 2-6 which are best the situations for DD by far. I know Europe too. I never DD against 10/A no matter what. Doubling has the very lowest win rate against A, T.
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I won about $500 in one hour running Wizards BJ online player. The intriguing fact is I won mostly in negative counts. I had 1 BJ but multiple DD hands. I won 1 Ins and lost 1. The dealer had 3 BJs. I “reshuffled” (started 2 games).
I should be allowed to show a screenshot of Wizards video player.
https://www.geocities.ws/roulette/WizardBJapp.jpg
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I actually believe you. It’s a waste of time to count a 8D.
Quote: toolypToday I played again Wizards BJ online player. Also one hour (I always consider bathroom breaks every hour or so). My winnings amounted to over $1000. And again I won mostly in negative counts especially with DD hands. Only one of my BJs came in a plus count when my bet was $25. The rest of my BJs came at the minimum bet ($5). It’s really frustrating!
Of course, my positive performance was in big part the result of headsup play. With multiple players I doubt seriously my performance would’ve been the same. “There are other players at the table” as Nor put it in his forum. That is, the planet alignment is harder to take place for one particular player, regardless of count.
The maximum bet of $100,000 is clearly out of this world. Spread of 1-20,000 will never be possible in this world in our lifetime. I would be very happy with limits of 5-1000 as Atlantic City had in the good old days!
I see this BJ player is really fair. It has no reason to deceive. I doubt I’d say the same about an online player. I mean in an online casino playing for real money. I have avoided such play for the past 10 years at least. I wouldn't play Bj online even with $500 bonuses.
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I am curious whether your aversion to online play is based on any negative real-world outcomes either experienced by you or others that you trust.
I have played at dozens of regulated US online casinos and I have no worries about playing slots or table games online. I have never seen anything demonstrably unfair in online games. I play BJ and other table games against a RNG or against a live dealer. The edges are just huge once you account for all of the free play. The cheating would have to be massive to make these bonus situations -EV. Cheating at that level should be easy to prove. Any time that I spend worrying about whether the games are fair is time I am not spending making money.
I have seen accusations of unfairness from offshore casinos on this forum. I think this is mostly accusations of failure to pay wins rather than accusations of cheating software. I have no direct experience with casinos not regulated by US entities. I do know that some folks here make a good living playing offshore. I believe they try to stick with the larger companies with a reputation to defend.
Quote: MentalQuote: toolypToday I played again Wizards BJ online player. Also one hour (I always consider bathroom breaks every hour or so). My winnings amounted to over $1000. And again I won mostly in negative counts especially with DD hands. Only one of my BJs came in a plus count when my bet was $25. The rest of my BJs came at the minimum bet ($5). It’s really frustrating!
Of course, my positive performance was in big part the result of headsup play. With multiple players I doubt seriously my performance would’ve been the same. “There are other players at the table” as Nor put it in his forum. That is, the planet alignment is harder to take place for one particular player, regardless of count.
The maximum bet of $100,000 is clearly out of this world. Spread of 1-20,000 will never be possible in this world in our lifetime. I would be very happy with limits of 5-1000 as Atlantic City had in the good old days!
I see this BJ player is really fair. It has no reason to deceive. I doubt I’d say the same about an online player. I mean in an online casino playing for real money. I have avoided such play for the past 10 years at least. I wouldn't play Bj online even with $500 bonuses.
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I am curious whether your aversion to online play is based on any negative real-world outcomes either experienced by you or others that you trust.
I have played at dozens of regulated US online casinos and I have no worries about playing slots or table games online. I have never seen anything demonstrably unfair in online games. I play BJ and other table games against a RNG or against a live dealer. The edges are just huge once you account for all of the free play. The cheating would have to be massive to make these bonus situations -EV. Cheating at that level should be easy to prove. Any time that I spend worrying about whether the games are fair is time I am not spending making money.
I have seen accusations of unfairness from offshore casinos on this forum. I think this is mostly accusations of failure to pay wins rather than accusations of cheating software. I have no direct experience with casinos not regulated by US entities. I do know that some folks here make a good living playing offshore. I believe they try to stick with the larger companies with a reputation to defend.
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I’ll say it goes off topic. Maybe you’ll start (yet another) thread on fairness in online gambling. I’m a newbie so I might not be allowed to go there.
Yes, as you, I trust only US online gambling outlets that have B&R casinos. And only for sports betting. Even there I experienced headaches. Cashing out tended to be a burden – the outlet was never satisfied with the quality of my ID printouts. I had no problem when I registered and deposited. It was very easy to cash out at a window of the same corporation. I went to the B&R casino prepared to file a complaint!
“I am curious whether your aversion to online play is based on any negative real-world outcomes either experienced by you or others that you trust.”
As you can see I had my own negative experiences. Furthermore people I trust shared with me their negative experiences.
Gambling forums have plenty of negative reactions regarding online gambling. I believe many of them have real causes. It’s absurd to think all complainers are liars. Trustpilot is full of negative reviews about online gambling outlets. I hope one link is convincing.
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bet365.com
To my point – online blackjack.
Anyone can make an experiment (at a price, it’s inevitable).
1) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing Wizards online app I used.
2) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing-for-fun only at an online casino.
3) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing BJ FOR REAL MONEY at online casino. That’s what made me stop online gambling (non-sports betting).
At 2) the winnings are out of this world. At 3) you lose the shirt off your back.
Quote: toolyp
To my point – online blackjack.
Anyone can make an experiment (at a price, it’s inevitable).
1) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing Wizards online app I used.
2) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing-for-fun only at an online casino.
3) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing BJ FOR REAL MONEY at online casino. That’s what made me stop online gambling (non-sports betting).
At 2) the winnings are out of this world. At 3) you lose the shirt off your back.
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I played about $140M real money in online casinos and I have made millions. My shirt is still on my back.
Quote: MentalQuote: toolyp
To my point – online blackjack.
Anyone can make an experiment (at a price, it’s inevitable).
1) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing Wizards online app I used.
2) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing-for-fun only at an online casino.
3) Write down the percentage of high bets won-lost playing BJ FOR REAL MONEY at online casino. That’s what made me stop online gambling (non-sports betting).
At 2) the winnings are out of this world. At 3) you lose the shirt off your back.
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I played about $140M real money in online casinos and I have made millions. My shirt is still on my back.
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“I played about $140M real money in online casinos and I have made millions.”
You think anybody believes you? I hear many say “He’s… mental!”
I remind readers of just one opinion recently expressed on Trustpilot -
“Eman Shakib –
The worst
The worst! I made a comment while I was playing that I lost all my deposit coz I had all my hands and wasn’t able to do a side bet when I got pairs. I deposited a bit more and went up and withdrew my winnings. 3 days later went back to play and they had suspended my account! Why? The lady from customer chat said that I wasn’t gambling responsibly!! Why??!! Because I had withdrawn my winnings 3 times? She interrogated me and asked me very personal questions and told me they were going to suspend my account for 6 months or a year. Why is it their business? I clearly told her I play on a budget and I don’t bet high amounts.
Anyway, I wouldn’t suggest them to my enemy. Horrible and rude.
Date of experience: August 25, 2024 – posted August 29, 2024.”
Lets stop here. You should start a new topic. Most members here would surely believe you’re an online casino rep. No hard feelings.
Quote: toolypYou can’t split 10+10.
I can and I have.
Quote: toolypIf you do, other players at the table will get mad at you.
Why should I care about that?
There were a few other things you missed, like drawing to 22 or more less often.
But the biggest reason why even a basic hi-lo count can win money is because blackjack starts with such a low house edge. Even the typically bad double deck game with 55% penetration start with a house edge of like 0.66%. Compare that with a typical roulette game at 5.26% or slot machine that's like 10%. I can easily come up with a strategy to play slots that will reduce those expected losses from 10% to 9%. But I'm still losing. If I reduce my expected losses on blackjack by the same amount, it goes from 0.66% to negative 0.34%. And negative losses mean profit.
Quote: toolypYou can’t split 10+10.
I don't know what casinos you play at but at the 100 or more I have played they let you spit (10+10, 10+J, 10+Q, 10+K, J+Q, J+K, and K+Q.)
