live shuffle vs number generator
Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator? If the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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How do you know the dealer won't bust as frequently? Random cards, with random number of players, with random number of hands, with random ways of playing, cause random events.
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I'd say not as random. I don't see why the house edge would be higher. Are you assuming the cards start out unsorted?Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator? If the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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I often think that the mere act of dealing the cards, and having them returned from players in different sequences each time, is sufficient. One riffle should be plenty. Of course, I keep that thought to myself.Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator?
How do you come to that conclusion?Quote: wizardofassIf the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator? If the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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In blackjack, I believe the shuffle would have to be "not very good" in some fairly specific ways to meaningfully affect the house edge.
The "wash" procedure - scrambling the cards face down on the table, with all cards spending some time on the felt - is a fairly good randomizer, if done correctly. Subsequent riffles intermix various parts of the (mostly) random deck.
As I understand, the "wash" is common only starting from a sorted deck order; either after a deck change, or at a casino that sorts & spreads the decks in play on a dead game. Subsequent shuffles start from a discard sweep + slug order.
One time last century a real dealer started off the shoe at a full table I was at and won 5 Black Jacks in a row. What's that 1/20.7 ^ 5? 1 in 3.8 million?
Quote: ChumpChangeRNG didn't like my winning ways last weekend and came up with 4 Black Jacks in a row against me. What's that 1/20.7 ^ 4? 1 in 183.6K?
One time last century a real dealer started off the shoe at a full table I was at and won 5 Black Jacks in a row. What's that 1/20.7 ^ 5? 1 in 3.8 million?
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I don't know, it seems like it could help you as much as it could hurt you.Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator? If the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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Anyways, this might be of some interest related to the subject.
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
Quote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
Quote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Randomized from a known deck order. Doesn’t have to be a new deck order.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
Quote: unJonQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Randomized from a known deck order. Doesn’t have to be a new deck order.
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If all shuffles have been seen before which idk if i could say they have then every shuffle is not new
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
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i can tell you ive skimmed over alot of his stuff but do not have the mathematical abilities to understand what hes saying.
i know he said that the algorithm that shuffle master was using was predictable to him in a statistical manner. i forget if he said they utilized his suggestions to mitigate what he suggested.
what i do believe as of this point is that casinos have moved on to AI for RNG.
RANDOM === UNPREDICTABLE
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
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i can tell you ive skimmed over alot of his stuff but do not have the mathematical abilities to understand what hes saying.
i know he said that the algorithm that shuffle master was using was predictable to him in a statistical manner. i forget if he said they utilized his suggestions to mitigate what he suggested.
what i do believe as of this point is that casinos have moved on to AI for RNG.
RANDOM === UNPREDICTABLE
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I probably need to sit on a warm rock for a while, meditating on the relation between random and unpredictable. (I do not know that they are equivalent.)
I believe what you're thinking of was a carousel shuffler with a non-prime number of platforms. I believe the suggestion was to disable enough platforms in software so that a prime number of platforms would be in use.
This is done, as far as I know.
This is not the same style shuffler as the MD2, MD3, and MDX. These are 'elevator' rather than 'carousel', and use a different shuffling method.
Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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i going to go with your definition...
lets say we already know of a way to generate every single permutation of a shuffle...
well that fulfils your "every card in every postion" definition
cool
well since we know thats a guaranty then we need to assume that its possible to somewhat "predict" a single shuffle ... after all a broken clock is right twice a day we can get lucky so to say...
well we dont want the person to get lucky on their own terms we want them to get lucky at a random time
we need the shuffle to be unpredictable
Very good point, I didn't think about that. Obviously, this is why shuffle tracking is a thing. I don't know enough about what it takes to have a random shuffle to really give any insight. I just remember reading that article and found it interesting.Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
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I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
I assume that means it is not 100% random, but good luck being able to predict anything. Let alone, enough to gain an advantage.Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
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i can tell you ive skimmed over alot of his stuff but do not have the mathematical abilities to understand what hes saying.
i know he said that the algorithm that shuffle master was using was predictable to him in a statistical manner. i forget if he said they utilized his suggestions to mitigate what he suggested.
what i do believe as of this point is that casinos have moved on to AI for RNG.
RANDOM === UNPREDICTABLE
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I probably need to sit on a warm rock for a while, meditating on the relation between random and unpredictable. (I do not know that they are equivalent.)
I believe what you're thinking of was a carousel shuffler with a non-prime number of platforms. I believe the suggestion was to disable enough platforms in software so that a prime number of platforms would be in use.
This is done, as far as I know.
This is not the same style shuffler as the MD2, MD3, and MDX. These are 'elevator' rather than 'carousel', and use a different shuffling method.
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This.Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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Rotating deal, or dedicated dealer?
Had both situations, but usually a dedicated one with a stand-in or 2. Some people haven't a clue how to dealQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolf
I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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Rotating deal, or dedicated dealer?
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Quote: AxelWolfHad both situations, but usually a dedicated one with a stand-in or 2. Some people haven't a clue how to dealQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolf
I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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Rotating deal, or dedicated dealer?
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Wash, riffle, riffle, 5 packet running strip, riffle, offer the cut.
You can say that that's how they do it on the fancy TV games, and your friends want to feel fancy tonight.
DJ probably knows what the current guidelines are.
edit: you're out of luck with a rotating deal.
Just grab the cards, 2 riffs, and deal, or my tips are going from 0 to -0 along with some harassment. And stop flashing the cards. you just dealt Dan an Ace.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfHad both situations, but usually a dedicated one with a stand-in or 2. Some people haven't a clue how to dealQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolf
I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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Rotating deal, or dedicated dealer?
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Wash, riffle, riffle, 5 packet running strip, riffle, offer the cut.
You can say that that's how they do it on the fancy TV games, and your friends want to feel fancy tonight.
DJ probably knows what the current guidelines are.
edit: you're out of luck with a rotating deal.
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DJ, "BS"
* Dan peeks... "WTF?"
Quote: AxelWolfJust grab the cards, 2 riffs, and deal, or my tips are going from 0 to -0 along with some harassment. And stop flashing the cards. you just dealt Dan an Ace.Quote: DieterQuote: AxelWolfHad both situations, but usually a dedicated one with a stand-in or 2. Some people haven't a clue how to dealQuote: DieterQuote: AxelWolf
I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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Rotating deal, or dedicated dealer?
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Wash, riffle, riffle, 5 packet running strip, riffle, offer the cut.
You can say that that's how they do it on the fancy TV games, and your friends want to feel fancy tonight.
DJ probably knows what the current guidelines are.
edit: you're out of luck with a rotating deal.
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DJ, "BS"
* Dan peeks... "WTF?"
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Without getting into in-shuffles and out-shuffles, that's going to tend to keep the cards at the top of the deck near the top of the deck, and the cards near the bottom towards the bottom.
That running strip cut does something.
Without particularly trying, this is what can happen with "just two riffles".
I put two jokers on the top, riffled twice, and spread the deck.
Then I riffled twice, and spread the deck.
Then again...
I'm neither good at controlling a shuffle, nor particularly trying.
That extra nonsense helps demonstrate that the dealer isn't controlling the shuffle and isn't grossly incompetent at shuffling. Keep your shorts on and let the cards get mixed up.
Quote: AxelWolfVery good point, I didn't think about that. Obviously, this is why shuffle tracking is a thing. I don't know enough about what it takes to have a random shuffle to really give any insight. I just remember reading that article and found it interesting.Quote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: DieterQuote: heatmapQuote: TigerWuQuote: AxelWolf
"Mathematicians have figured out that seven proper riffle shuffles will result in a randomly distributed deck of cards. The overhand shuffle is when clumps of cards are pulled from the deck and thrown back in randomly. Don’t trust this shuffle. It takes 10,000 overhand shuffles to properly randomize a deck of cards."
https://easternshorepost.com/2022/01/07/random-facts-about-the-randomness-of-a-shuffled-deck/#:~:text=Mathematicians%20have%20figured%20out%20that,randomize%20a%20deck%20of%20cards.
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I'm assuming they mean "randomized" from new deck order? No way you would need 10,000 overhand shuffles to randomize a deck that's already randomized....
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Lets see if anyone here can come up with a solid definition of random because it took me years to actually understand what it actually means in relation to casino games
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For a shuffle, random means that every card in the source deck has an equal chance of being in every position in the shuffled deck.
Most hand shuffles aren't quite there, but are unpredictable enough to maintain game integrity.
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From what i think i know you only needed one of those words you said
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Maybe see the Persi Diaconis lectures on the subject.
I'm skipping over a lot.
As I recall, most of those lectures focus on a 52 card deck when determining how random is random, and our purposes likely need to consider a 312 card deck.
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I just know I get pissed off at home poker games when the dealer spends so much time shuffling. I'm like.. "dude seriously, 2 riffs and deal the damn cards, it's fine.
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This is why we have two decks of cards at our home game. Shuffle after you deal then pass the cards to the the next dealer (two to your left), all while the person to your left deals the next hand. Can have a third person cut if someone is paranoid.
CardMagicByJason
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Quote: wizardofassDoes spinning the cards around face down on the table and shuffling them a couple times guarantee as much randomization as a number generator? If the shuffle isn't very good the house edge is higher because the dealer wont bust as frequently
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Shuffling cards manually could add some degree of randomness but is unlikely to be on the level of a sufficiently-programmed RNG used in electronic casino games. Manual shuffling creates randomness but the degree of randomness might not be as great as that provided by an RNG employed in the electronic gaming. Nevertheless, the main factors that influence the house edge of casino games are apart from the shuffle, including game rules and player strategy. To minimize these risks, casinos implement various measures in ensuring fairness to both player and themselves. In this case, rather than solely contemplating on the shuffle quality to have an upper hand, a player ought to familiarize with the rules ad policies that govern betting
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