Do hosts get informed if security backs you off?
Let's say I've been counting with a moderate spread at Casino A. It is not sweaty and isn't a database participant, so I'm playing rated and getting good cash value from that as well (not just comps) I have host A in Casino A who's really great.
We chatted about trips and he mentioned he's good friend with host B at Casino B in another city where I also like to play at. Offered to refer me to that friend so I can immediately get comped rooms and stuff (I never played rated at casino B, really good place, database participant)
I could get free RFB immediately at casino B with the referral, but if I ever get cought in either place, I'm worried the hosts will text each other and it'll have a domino effect.
Anyone has experienced that?
Is comped RFB worth worrying about…even for one minute?
Quote: Ace2Focus on your craft and/or having fun at the casino.
Is comped RFB worth worrying about…even for one minute?
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That's a good point. Depends on the place... I get so many RFB offers I could live in casinos but I skip 90% of them.
This one though is renowned as having some of the nicest rooms in a place I like to visit so it does have some value to me (especially if visiting with friends) and it's a bit tempting to be honest.
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Is comped RFB worth worrying about…even for one minute?
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That's a good point. Depends on the place... I get so many RFB offers I could live in casinos but I skip 90% of them.
This one though is renowned as having some of the nicest rooms in a place I like to visit so it does have some value to me (especially if visiting with friends) and it's a bit tempting to be honest.
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If you get referred and backed off you better believe the host will call his buddy and burn you down.
As far as whether a host would burn you down at another property once you're burned down at his, it might depend on the type of host. For example if you're dealing with an independent host, his motivation would be to keep you playing, at least somewhere, because independent hosts get a % of your theo loss (or actual loss) at any property where you have engaged them, which theoretically could be anywhere if you stay away from a certain property long enough for the independent host to step in and take control of your stays and play.
You might be playing at regional small potatoes casinos but independent hosts in Vegas, for example, can drop you into many southern Cal casinos, Bahamas casinos and probably other casinos throughout the country. It might be too late for you, but you might want to consider an independent host at all properties, and with someone like that, you could tell him exactly what you're doing he doesn't care because he works for himself and for you, not for the property.
Interesting, I can't recall ever having an in-house host want to refer me to a different casino. They are usually too focused on keeping you and your action at their casino.Quote: tyler498Hi guys, trying to figure out if a move is worthwhile.
Let's say I've been counting with a moderate spread at Casino A. It is not sweaty and isn't a database participant, so I'm playing rated and getting good cash value from that as well (not just comps) I have host A in Casino A who's really great.
We chatted about trips and he mentioned he's good friend with host B at Casino B in another city where I also like to play at. Offered to refer me to that friend so I can immediately get comped rooms and stuff (I never played rated at casino B, really good place, database participant)
I could get free RFB immediately at casino B with the referral, but if I ever get cought in either place, I'm worried the hosts will text each other and it'll have a domino effect.
Anyone has experienced that?
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For simple RFB, I personally wouldn't mess with it, perhaps you could negotiate some walking-in money or something to make it well worthwhile.
Like anything else, when dealing with humans and a unique situation (2 hosts are friends outside of work from different locations), Your experience may vary.
I haven't ever heard of anyone associating some negative domino effect coming from casino hosts.
There have been many times when I was on the casino S-list /86'ed or whatever and my host ended up at a different property and he/she called me up inviting me to their new place with offerings.
Quote: MDawgProperties share information through other than just databases.
As far as whether a host would burn you down at another property once you're burned down at his, it might depend on the type of host. For example if you're dealing with an independent host, his motivation would be to keep you playing, at least somewhere, because independent hosts get a % of your theo loss (or actual loss) at any property where you have engaged them, which theoretically could be anywhere if you stay away from a certain property long enough for the independent host to step in and take control of your stays and play.
You might be playing at regional small potatoes casinos but independent hosts in Vegas, for example, can drop you into many southern Cal casinos, Bahamas casinos and probably other casinos throughout the country. It might be too late for you, but you might want to consider an independent host at all properties, and with someone like that, you could tell him exactly what you're doing he doesn't care because he works for himself and for you, not for the property.
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Thanks Mdawg, the idea of an independent host is tempting. Why do you say it might be too late for me?
Thanks Axl, I agree that based on all my experiences, it sounds like security doesn't even inform hosts of someone being an AP.
After being backed off or flat betted, I usually am still able to call up and get comped from a host at that exact property.
Yeah that's usually the case.... But I have had situations where the host knows something and you are suddenly not desirable. You can usually tell right away by their demeanor and lack of enthusiasm when you start a conversation.Quote: tyler498Quote: MDawgProperties share information through other than just databases.
As far as whether a host would burn you down at another property once you're burned down at his, it might depend on the type of host. For example if you're dealing with an independent host, his motivation would be to keep you playing, at least somewhere, because independent hosts get a % of your theo loss (or actual loss) at any property where you have engaged them, which theoretically could be anywhere if you stay away from a certain property long enough for the independent host to step in and take control of your stays and play.
You might be playing at regional small potatoes casinos but independent hosts in Vegas, for example, can drop you into many southern Cal casinos, Bahamas casinos and probably other casinos throughout the country. It might be too late for you, but you might want to consider an independent host at all properties, and with someone like that, you could tell him exactly what you're doing he doesn't care because he works for himself and for you, not for the property.
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Thanks Mdawg, the idea of an independent host is tempting. Why do you say it might be too late for me?
Thanks Axl, I agree that based on all my experiences, it sounds like security doesn't even inform hosts of someone being an AP.
After being backed off or flat betted, I usually am still able to call up and get comped from a host at that exact property.
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Quote: heatmapeverything i read on here about counting makes it seems harder than being a homeless person idk why anyone would want to live that life... at least if your homeless you can have more space to move around when kicked out of a limited number of casinos in the world
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Counting and homeless are not mutually exclusive.
Quote: heatmapeverything i read on here about counting makes it seems harder than being a homeless person idk why anyone would want to live that life... at least if your homeless you can have more space to move around when kicked out of a limited number of casinos in the world
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As someone who was homeless for a number of years it's not the end of the world.
I got done a lot more personal stuff than ever before since I wasn't beholden to any job for x hours per week.
Quote: heatmapeverything i read on here about counting makes it seems harder than being a homeless person idk why anyone would want to live that life... at least if your homeless you can have more space to move around when kicked out of a limited number of casinos in the world
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I don't get where you're seeing that. Maybe as the main occupation it is tedious. As a hobby/Side gig it is fantastic.
I have a 9-to-5 job that pays fairly well, I manage over 30 software engineers. I like to do weekend trips every other weekend. (sometimes 2 weekends in a row, sometimes I make it 3 days by 'working from home (casino hotel room) Friday') half of those tend to be Vegas.
Whether I go alone, with a girl, or with few friends, I usually average 4 hours/day of playtime (spread over 2 or 3 places) while really enjoying whatever city I'm at (hiking, skiing, national park around or Las Vegas activities if I'm in Vegas..etc)
I don't remember the last time I paid for a hotel room or food. Flights are cheap, and if I drive, it's electric Tesla and I charge for free at casinos. I play blackchips and generate 100$ to 300$ EV/hour (conditions vary a lot), I know the deviations and have a good act. I always play-rated but stay under the radar (no aggressive spread).
Assuming 200$/hour *4 hours/day* 6 days month that's 4800$ EV/month.
I'm very slightly above that for the year and don't feel like I'm grinding at all. Still mostly focused on my career and life and just playing while it's fun and stopping when I get bored. And even though I do everything to prioritize longevity, backoffs still happen. It's a pretty sweet deal so far that's why I try to protect it by making sure backoffs don't spread like the plague.
If you take money from them slowly enough and use the rest of the time to enjoy life, it's not only less stress but also is harder to notice by casinos. Just like parasites that don't hurt their hosts too much tend to survive longer (yes I just compared my hobby to a parasite..)
Quote: tyler498Thanks Mdawg, the idea of an independent host is tempting. Why do you say it might be too late for me?
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An independent host may bring you in if you are new to a property or have not played at that property for a period of time - usually a year.
Since it sounds like you are active at both of these properties, then you'd have to stop playing for some time before an independent host could take over your play.
It does seem like at least at one of the properties you are playing under the radar? If truly so, then it would be as if you are new there and then for that property an independent host could bring you in.
Quote: MDawgQuote: tyler498Thanks Mdawg, the idea of an independent host is tempting. Why do you say it might be too late for me?
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An independent host may bring you in if you are new to a property or have not played at that property for a period of time - usually a year.
Since it sounds like you are active at both of these properties, then you'd have to stop playing for some time before an independent host could take over your play.
It does seem like at least at one of the properties you are playing under the radar? If truly so, then it would be as if you are new there and then for that property an independent host could bring you in.
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Got it, that's helpful. I think my level of play (300$ or so average bet) 4 hours a day on some weekends is barely enough to get a casino host is Vegas places (and most large casinos) Not enough for a host at the top vegas spots.
Am assuming the standards for an independent host are even higher? In which case I likely do not qualify
