March 12th, 2022 at 11:18:18 AM
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This is a stupid question because I already know the answer but

I am having a personal issue with a couple of specific scenarios

Specifically when the dealer has a 7 showing

Anyways my question is if someone can run a quick simulation for standing on 15 and above against the dealers 7 and how much of an edge does it give to the casino … I am hitting 14 and below though

I should also mention this is on a csm not a shoe

I am having a personal issue with a couple of specific scenarios

Specifically when the dealer has a 7 showing

Anyways my question is if someone can run a quick simulation for standing on 15 and above against the dealers 7 and how much of an edge does it give to the casino … I am hitting 14 and below though

I should also mention this is on a csm not a shoe

Last edited by: heatmap on Mar 12, 2022

March 12th, 2022 at 12:22:46 PM
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I surrender with a 16 vs a 9, 10, A and also 15 vs A. Card counters may have different ideas depending on the count.

March 12th, 2022 at 12:23:51 PM
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You can look up the expected returns for any hand here: https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/9/6dh17r4/

Here's an estimate:

The expected return is about 0.48/0.37 for standing/hitting on 15 vs 7 and about 0.48/0.41 for 16 vs 7, so this is by no means a borderline play like 16 vs 10. Let's assume you are lowering your return by 0.09 each time you stand on these hands.

Assuming infinite deck, you will be initially dealt 15 or 16 23/13^2 (13.6%) of the time. Estimate you will end up with 15 or 16 20% of the time after hitting other starting hands. Times 1/13 that the dealer shows 7 is 1.54%, which is how often you will see this scenario. So 1.54% of the time you are reducing your return by 0.09, which is about 14 basis points. Assuming you play proper basic strategy, the house edge is about 50 basis points, so this play increases the edge by nearly 30%

Note: the 20% figure used above is a guesstimate

Here's an estimate:

The expected return is about 0.48/0.37 for standing/hitting on 15 vs 7 and about 0.48/0.41 for 16 vs 7, so this is by no means a borderline play like 16 vs 10. Let's assume you are lowering your return by 0.09 each time you stand on these hands.

Assuming infinite deck, you will be initially dealt 15 or 16 23/13^2 (13.6%) of the time. Estimate you will end up with 15 or 16 20% of the time after hitting other starting hands. Times 1/13 that the dealer shows 7 is 1.54%, which is how often you will see this scenario. So 1.54% of the time you are reducing your return by 0.09, which is about 14 basis points. Assuming you play proper basic strategy, the house edge is about 50 basis points, so this play increases the edge by nearly 30%

Note: the 20% figure used above is a guesstimate

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March 12th, 2022 at 12:27:48 PM
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Quote:ChumpChangeI surrender with a 16 vs a 9, 10, A and also 15 vs A. Card counters may have different ideas depending on the count.

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yeah im mostly playing basic strategy - except for this specific scenario i said above

half of the time i stay with anything 15 and above and hit with 14 and below

the other half of the time im hitting with the correct strategy its almost random

i know its stupid but the 7 in the dealers hand is seemingly a special case to me for some odd reason

March 12th, 2022 at 1:04:35 PM
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If you can predict a dealer bust, you can stand.

March 12th, 2022 at 1:06:24 PM
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Locals can. Tourists can'tQuote:ChumpChangeIf you can predict a dealer bust, you can stand.

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It’s all about making that GTA

March 12th, 2022 at 3:45:52 PM
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Let's first consider 87 vs 7 with 8 decks. Note that both 8 and 7 are cards you want out of the deck if hitting a 15, but their removal from the deck also helps the dealer drawing to a 7.

Stand: EV= - 47.86%

Hit: EV = - 36.44%

ΔEV= 11.54%

For a T5 vs 7, I get:

Stand: EV= - 47.56%

Hit: EV = - 36.91%

ΔEV= 10.65%

Stand: EV= - 47.86%

Hit: EV = - 36.44%

ΔEV= 11.54%

For a T5 vs 7, I get:

Stand: EV= - 47.56%

Hit: EV = - 36.91%

ΔEV= 10.65%

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