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August 4th, 2021 at 4:09:12 PM permalink
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Absolutely, but the card has been missed and you have to do something about it. Ideally, you count every card but when you miss one, the best thing I know to do is to just think of it as being back in the deck.

You talk of missing ONE and I reckon that sums it up. Missing one is not an issue. Missing more is careless, unless you are maybe counting 2 tables and wonging in where the count is HUGE.
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August 4th, 2021 at 4:28:10 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

You talk of missing ONE and I reckon that sums it up. Missing one is not an issue. Missing more is careless, unless you are maybe counting 2 tables and wonging in where the count is HUGE.





Not sure how this happened but everything above is OD's quote, below is my response.[Edit Fixed by mod}

It's not something an experienced counter would do, but that isn't who asked the question. Every new counter will miss cards and should be prepared for when it happens. It's not the end of the world and there is no reason to break your stride. All counting does is give you the approximate ratio of good cards remaining to bad cards.
When I started, I 'd count every hand on the table. Before long I was canceling out most hands so it was much easier to do. That will come after dozens or hundreds of hours of practice. I started counting in March and made my first counting trip to a casino in the end of October. Spent ten days at the El Cortez playing their $2 and $3 tables, spreading 1-4 and worrying about getting that tap on the shoulder. I had more winning sessions than losing and made my room costs most days. It was my first trip to Vegas and I never left Fremont Street and gambled only at the E.C.
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August 4th, 2021 at 4:43:05 PM permalink
billryan, it was merely a missing bracket “]” after the marker of the end of OD’s quote “…HUGE. [/q”. Easy to remove without noticing by backspacing past your added content. Just an FYI…
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August 4th, 2021 at 5:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

If I wanted to learn card counting, how accurate should my count be to have an impact on my performance?

Can I miss a few hands and still be confident or does a missed hand (several players in that hand) damage my count?

Does an approximate count have value?

If I'm standing near a table and counting cards before sitting down how accurate does my count have to be?

Thanks.



We all know you have no desire to learn how to count cards. You're asking this question for other reasons. But whatever.

Every card you miss just increases the effective penetration. If you miss 26 cards on a table with 1 deck of 6 cutoff then it's like you counted down a game with 1.5 decks/6 cutoff. It impacts your return but it certainly wouldn't drive the game negative like you seem to think it would. Your count is still accurate as long as you account for the approximate number of cards you've missed, so that your true count conversion is accurate.
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August 4th, 2021 at 5:38:46 PM permalink
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We all know you have no desire to learn how to count cards. You're asking this question for other reasons. But whatever.

Every card you miss just increases the effective penetration. If you miss 26 cards on a table with 1 deck of 6 cutoff then it's like you counted down a game with 1.5 decks/6 cutoff. It impacts your return but it certainly wouldn't drive the game negative like you seem to think it would. Your count is still accurate as long as you account for the approximate number of cards you've missed, so that your true count conversion is accurate.



Thanks. I'm glad you know what I'm thinking. I'm also thinking about enrolling in a dealer's school here in Vegas. I thought it would be a fun way to spend my time as a retiree.

I want you to be up to date on my thoughts.

I'm also looking for recommendations. I see some deals for $499 for three games.
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August 4th, 2021 at 5:46:16 PM permalink
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We all know you have no desire to learn how to count cards. You're asking this question for other reasons.

^^^^^ this
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 4th, 2021 at 6:36:46 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Alan, you will soon figure that as you practice... Let's work a simple High Low example.

Let's round nearest and simplify
No cards dealt, 6 deck shoe House edge 0.5%
Roughly for every unit count, the house edge swings by 0.5%
So... When True count is 1 house edge is 0%
When TC is 3, player edge is about 2%




Correction OnceDear when the TC is +3 the player edge is about 1%.
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August 5th, 2021 at 1:02:50 AM permalink
Quote: BoSox

Correction OnceDear when the TC is +3 the player edge is about 1%.

Thanks, I stand corrected. TC+3 swings the edge by 1.5% from -0.5% gives +1%

I was just simplifying for Alan, and I screwed up the simplest mental arithmetic.

I'm not active as a card counter, as you probably guessed. I used to try it for added amusement only. I did research it for a technical attack on an online game.

As to Alan.... I wonder why he started this thread. I suspect it's to settle a disagreement elsewhere.
Am I close, Alan?
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August 5th, 2021 at 1:04:39 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Thanks, I'm not disagreeing. I was just simplifying for Alan, with count of one worth approx 0.5%

I'm not active as a card counter, as you probably guessed. I used to try it for added amusement only. I did research it for a technical attack on an online game.

As to Alan.... I wonder why he started this thread. I suspect it's to settle a disagreement elsewhere.
Am I close, Alan?



No.

As I mentioned I'm going to enroll in a dealers school. Broadening my horizons.

I know that's not what you all want to read. You want something more juicey.

Sorry.
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August 5th, 2021 at 2:11:41 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

No.

As I mentioned I'm going to enroll in a dealers school. Broadening my horizons.

I know that's not what you all want to read. You want something more juicey.

Sorry.

I'm sorry too. I don't want or expect anything juicy.
I don't believe in coinkydinks.
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