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charliepatrick
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April 16th, 2021 at 9:37:28 AM permalink
I actually worked out basic strategy by hand (and calculator) - but accept that isn't easy for everyone.

My tips are remember the easy strategy and then the variations. My early days were based on the UK rules at the time incl S17.
(i) Hit 16 vs 7+, stand on 12 vs 6-.
(ii) Hit soft 17.

(iii) Split everything vs 2-6 (in the UK you weren't allowed to split 4s 5s 10s so split A236789).
(iv) Split A2378 vs 7 (they add up to 21!)
(v) Split A89 vs 8 9
(vi) (UK) Split A vs T (US rules are split A8 vs TA)

(vii) Double [everything] vs 2-6 (in the old UK rules you could only double 9-11)
(viii) Double 10-11 vs 7-9
(ix) UK doesn't double 11 vs T/A, so you need to adjust this for US and/or H17.

(x) Soft doubles weren't allowed back then.

Exceptions
(i) Hit 12 vs 2 3.
(ii) Hit soft 18 vs 9 T A (hitting soft 18 vs 9 is how some casinos recognised a good player).
(iii) Split 4s vs 5 6
(vii) Hit 9 vs 2 (do not double)
(x) Soft Doubles.
- Double anything soft 18 or less vs 5 and 6 (i.e. A7 thru A2).
- 4 and 3 go up in steps of 2. 4 (A7 thru A4) 3 (A7 thru A6) (also A4 vs 4 is a very close decision!).
TomG
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April 25th, 2021 at 8:29:42 PM permalink
A blackjack game came alongside solitaire and minesweeper on a windows computer sometime in the 90s that would give me a warning any time I did something other than basic strategy. Made it easy to learn without even trying. I tried to use it to learn how to "count cards", but at that time I knew card counting mostly from Rainman and thought it meant keeping track of all the values remaining ("no one can count through a six deck shoe"). Even with pen and paper it was too much of a pain to bother with.

It was Bringing Down the House in 2003 where I learned it was a lot easier.
Repeat
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April 26th, 2021 at 5:19:00 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Memorize? I bring a card with me to the table. In fact, there was a time I would put a basic strategy table on the back of my business cards. (If you can think of a better way to get people to keep your business card, let me know.)



Now, this is dedication! I love it.

To answer the question, I'd say slowly expanded knowledge/memory.

When I first started I felt semi-confident for standing on hard 17s and hitting on soft 17s (do keep in mind that I was young, don't judge me on that).

Later I added the baseline rule, Stand on 13-16 if the dealers upcard is 6 or lower - and it took a while to remember when I should stand on 12 - but 4,5,6 made it into my subconsciousness eventually.

So in terms of basic play, I just think, abbreviated "stand on 13-16 if 6 or lower. Only stand on 12 if 4,5,6".

(I hate doubling down (I know, I know), so I only do it when the odds are solid - so 10 or 11 and a lower upcard from the dealer - and even then I sometimes do against my best interest. And the same goes for splitting, i.e. I only split aces and 8s - another move against my best interest, but perhaps it will change if I memorise further).

This changes online though, as I always have the cheat sheet at hand.
charliepatrick
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April 26th, 2021 at 8:18:14 AM permalink
Quote: Repeat

...the baseline rule, Stand on 13-16 if the dealers upcard is 6 or lower....

For others I think you're better off using standing on 12-16 (v2-6) and then remembering to hit some 12s than the other way round. Similarly doubling 9-11 and then remembering not 9 vs 2.

It is also best to start out splitting everything vs 2-6 (except 4s 5s 10s).

The simple rule is vs 2 to 6 stand on 12+, double 9-11, split (nearly) all pairs.
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April 26th, 2021 at 1:02:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I used flash cards.



I programmed my calculator to do drill and practice. The whole way to Vegas by plane I was drilling myself.
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April 27th, 2021 at 1:19:37 AM permalink
I printed out a color coded basic strategy table from an online engine (either wiz's or BJA's). I studied it for like 30 minutes and attempted to fill in blank ones. Anything I didn't instantly know 100% I put on flash cards and used flash cards to memorize the rest. This later spread to deviations, rule changes, etc.

After having that done and being able to fill in blank strategy charts for any game rules 100% I then played with free online software that warned on strategy mistakes (again wiz's or BJA's) and would just practice for 30 min here, hour there, etc, until I realized I'd played for dozens and dozens of hours without 1 strategy mistake.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
daveyandersen1
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April 27th, 2021 at 2:00:58 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Facsimile of my early '90's casino bought BJ strategy card. Now on Amazon for $7.25.
https://tinyurl.com/yzmpwumn

this is the same card I memmorized ..Back when I played BJ..IT'S so hard to find a 3/2 game now I just don't play...I wish people would boycott 6/5 BJ but it's like someone once said"people are stupid"...
MichaelBluejay
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April 28th, 2021 at 12:07:36 AM permalink
I printed out the table from the Wizard's site and memorized it while waiting for the bus to the airport (in Austin) to fly to Vegas. I think I had it memorized by the time the bus came. That was in 2000. I'd already learned card-counting from the book Knockout Blackjack, which was considerably easier than learning Basic Strategy.
IndyJeffrey
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April 29th, 2021 at 4:03:19 AM permalink
When reviewing basic strategies often return variances quoted are compared to "liberal Vegas Strip rules".

From many things I have read over the last four months (e.g., pandemic related changes), or so, is it safe to assume the blackjack survey is out of date?

Are the higher table game minimums, for one example, confined to the Strip, or is that a good rule of thumb across Las Vegas?

Thoughts?
MJGolf
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April 29th, 2021 at 7:57:55 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

When reviewing basic strategies often return variances quoted are compared to "liberal Vegas Strip rules".

From many things I have read over the last four months (e.g., pandemic related changes), or so, is it safe to assume the blackjack survey is out of date?

Are the higher table game minimums, for one example, confined to the Strip, or is that a good rule of thumb across Las Vegas?

Thoughts?



It's not really that the minimums have gotten that much higher, though you won't find any low limit tables on the Strip, as in $5 or $1 if that's what you are asking..............it's mainly that they have made the rules so much worse. 8 deck shoes v 6 deck shoes. H17 v S17. 6-5 v 3-2. No surrender. And the list goes on.

As to learning basic strategy, the first book I obtained or read was Laurence Revere's "Playing Blackjack as a Business". I think his color charts were thought provoking and groundbreaking at the time. Though that was a very LONG ASS time ago............LOL

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