What states CANNOT back you off of BJ?

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Pookky... can’t a host find all this info out for you? It seems to me that any host would arrange for a 20k a hand player to basically go anywhere the player wanted? Right?

Hosts can help facilitate/communicate to casino ops etc. they have no final say.

I know of situations in corporate America where management has a grudge against an employee who is a whistleblower or who is suing the company in court. There are instances where the managers simply claim that the employee was disruptive by using "a tone of voice that scared people" or that the employee was verbally abusive to a security guard. In the cases I am aware of, they simply lied and said that these things happened, and then they escorted the employee off the premises and banned him permanently from returning. This is almost impossible to fight against in court because everyone testifying for the company would be expected to lie

This is probably the kind of tactic that MDawg is referring to when he says that casinos can eject you if they want to. They simply lie and say you were disruptive or say you spoke angrily to a security guard. Any policeman who subsequently showed up would ask you to leave the casino anyway, just to keep the peace.

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I know of situations in corporate America where management has a grudge against an employee who is a whistleblower or who is suing the company in court. There are instances where the managers simply claim that the employee was disruptive by using "a tone of voice that scared people" or that the employee was verbally abusive to a security guard. In the cases I am aware of, they simply lied and said that these things happened, and then they escorted the employee off the premises and banned him permanently from returning. This is almost impossible to fight against in court because everyone testifying for the company would be expected to lie

This is probably the kind of tactic that MDawg is referring to when he says that casinos can eject you if they want to. They simply lie and say you were disruptive or say you spoke angrily to a security guard. Any policeman who subsequently showed up would ask you to leave the casino anyway, just to keep the peace.

Well, I can talk a bit about my trespassing case which was 2 years ago.

I know from my own case when it goes to court a number of documents get handed over

Surveillance has written a report

The security guard who escorts you out fills out paperwork giving his own description of what occurred.

The Casino in question claimed I had been trespassed on an earlier date (you get charged with trespassing upon your return not when they tell you to leave.)

I was not trespassed that day at all. In fact I had walked through the casino (the day they claim they trespassed me), saw a $20 minimum slot, stuck a bill in for fun and won $1800. The casino refused to pay me because they had information I was an advantage player. I demanded a DGE official to decide and lo and behold they paid me.

So 6 months later when they caught me with other players cards they claimed I was now trespassing due to that earlier incident.

Mind you, I received no trespassing paperwork even though I was waiting an hour for the DGE and subsequent W2G and payment so they had plenty of time to write something up. I signed a W2G. The DGE Had ruled in my favor and there was nothing I did that day to get kicked out. I simply won a cash Jackpot.

So it came down to the word of the security guard who claimed he verbally trespassed me

His testimony didn't match what he had written on the paperwork that day. The times on the paperwork didn't match the times on surveillance. There were so many inconsistencies that the case was dismissed.

So, yes they can and will lie but it's not too easy to get away with. At least for Casinos where everything is micromanaged

Here I was ready to cash out $800,000 and the casino said my chips are no good there.