How do I make my 1st million via AP

Long story short, I started with BJ counting but failed. I made my 1st million through teamwork and online Casino OUTSIDE the US. Those who are interested in the details can read my extended story below. I have lived in the US for many years and started my AP career in 2014. I am currently live in Las Vegas. I am an Asian, now I am going to move back to Asia very soon. Since I am leaving the US, I would like to share my +EV information with others and also build some connection in the US AP community during my last days in the U.S. Please contact my Gmail: apingy6 if you are interested. I already shared a 200% +EV game in Vegas in another of my post on this Forum.

wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/35290-share-a-200-ev-game/#post784321

I listed 8 Casinos with this game in that post. I also know 3 Casinos with this game outside Vegas
They are Tulalip Casino WA, Hollywood Casino St Louis, Grand Sierra Reno.


I also like to share two very good BJ locations in WI/MI not on CBJN

Mole Lake Casino at WI.

I visited it a few years ago and surprisingly it never on CBJN even now. They have DD BJ up to $250 and they do not really care if you vary your bet. We had a great session jumping from $10 to 2x$250 for 2 hours and win a couple thousand. Also, they have a promotion if you spend $ to stay they will give you same amount of $ to play at slot (even on VP).

Northern Waters at MI

When I visited there, it was not on CBJN. They have the easiest DD BJ for shuffle tracking. Easily made a few thousand within 2 days and they never understand what we did

Hi everybody, I rarely speak at this forum but not new to the AP world. I started my AP career back in 2014 from a small town in Mid-west. The driving time to the nearest Casino is an hour (now still). And their BJ rules were sucks! Apparently, I did not make money from counting BJ.

Later, I started to learn other skills from Eliot's book/Apheat and Michael's site including counting sidebet of BJ and other games, edge-sorting, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss rebate and etc. I am an Asian, so I have lots of contacts in the Asian AP community. I also learned shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing, etc from them.

Though I learned a lot, I am actually not a good AP player in Physical Casinos. Subtracting the expense, I did not make good money on most of my trips. The best game I played was a Paigow hole-carding game. This is truly the Holy Grail game for a starter. The variance is so low and EV is high. I think its DI can beat any +EV table games ever existed. I have a much more advanced strategy than APheat’s one. I can play ~50% hand compare to APheat’s 10%. By using varied betting, I can get an averagely ~16.4% EV on each betting. And the Bankroll for 5% ROR (lose all before double) is less than 7 big bets!! I play by myself, being both the spotter and BP. Well, even with such a dreamy game, I barely earned ~$20,000 during a year (well, not every time I went I can play, who do hole-carding should understand. I usually got a good session averagely once a month. But as long as I got a good session, not even a single time I left without winning). And surely this amount cannot cover my living expenses for a whole year.

After this short period of sole playing, I started to attend and then organize teams. I feel I am much more comfortable to work together with others than fight solely. I have partnered with BJtraveller and other you-do-not-know-names Asian APs (though lots of them made multi-millions from AP) for a few teams. I cooperated with my friend to crack dozens of new games. For example, I calculated the strategy of the Paigow HC game myself. Tbh, if we wanted to, we can write a book as thick as Eliot’s book. We just do not have time. In 2017, I joined and invested in John Chang’s new loss rebate team in Vegas. We ended up raising a 4 million bankroll and I have around 8% share. Well, we did not make money at that time. (John’s old L.R. team made about 20 million within 2 years).

During 2016-2019, I organized and partnered over 20 teams in the US and around the world. (We usually form one team for each loophole, the members and investors change). Include table poker game basic strategy +EV, loss rebate, a few different Bac side bets, collusions, trackings, Bac known card(s) and etc. Some teams made 6 figures profit within a month. Most of my members and partners are Asians. I actually have some fame among Asian APs. Although I lived in the U.S. for many years, I simply have no time to start my connection with U.S. APs. Now I decided to move back to Asia and continue my AP career outside the U.S.

Well, I did make some money through teamwork but not a ton. In fact, I made my big fortune from online Casino OUTSIDE the US. I personally do not go to play in Physical Casino anymore not because I was 86ed but because I do not like the Casino environment. (I was only 86ed by less than a handful of Casinos). But during these AP adventures, I develop a habit to scout Casinos. I have road-tripped over 40 states of the US. Based on my own traveling, I estimate there are about 750 to 800 Casinos in the U.S. with table games. This number is more accurate than any open/public sources as far as I know. There are about 200 Casinos with table games on my list that are not on CBJN for different reasons (Some never appear). I have been to over 500 of those Casinos. Of course, I scout using every skill I know not only counting. I found hundreds of +EV games. I reported the BJ condition part to the CBJN. I started to report to CBJN in 2014. You can see my name “Ping” appears in the reporter section for 6 areas currently. I previously also used other names on the CBJN.

Obviously, I cannot utilize all those US loopholes myself not even with my teams. So, I am willing to share those +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I am particularly interested in online casinos and sports betting but open to other communications. There is a multi-billion US$ market for sports betting in Asia.

Contact me by my Gmail: [email removed by Mod] or message me in this site
(I don‘t know if email can be posted here, if not allowed, GM please remove my email).

Below is the map of the Casinos on my list

I guess you forgot that you posted 40 minutes ago.

Quote: sabre

I guess you forgot that you posted 40 minutes ago.

I don't understand? What is that mean? I had two posts but with different contents

Quote: JimLee

Include table poker game basic strategy , 𝐜𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬,

collusion in poker is cheating, a felony in many U.S. states punishable by jail time

if you are planning to cheat at poker why should an investor, partner, or team member believe that you're not going to cheat them?

you know the saying: what's good for the goose is good for the gander




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Quote: lilredrooster

collusion in poker is cheating, a felony in many U.S. states punishable by jail time

if you are planning to cheat at poker why should an investor, partner, or team member believe that you're not going to cheat them?

you know the saying: what's good for the goose is good for the gander




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Not collusion in poker but table games. Also, some of my team do not play in US

Quote: lilredrooster

collusion in poker is cheating, a felony in many U.S. states punishable by jail time

if you are planning to cheat at poker why should an investor, partner, or team member believe that you're not going to cheat them?

you know the saying: what's good for the goose is good for the gander




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You never heard of Carribine poker table games collusion?

Quote: JimLee

You never heard of Carribine poker table games collusion?

yes, I've heard of it

from a blog about it:

"Your whole team will be thrown out of the casino if caught. You could also face prosecution depending upon the jurisdiction and casino in question.
Whether you face legal repercussions depends upon the laws in the state/country where you collude. "


your attitude seems to be since you're cheating the house it's okay
it's not a very long step from there to cheating investors, partners or team members



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Quote: lilredrooster

collusion in poker is cheating, a felony in many U.S. states punishable by jail time

i dont know why but i highly doubt that there is a single law that disallows player collusion.

i spend my days skimming laws and i cant readily find a single law in my state - pennsylvania - that actually makes it illegal.

i almost am going to say this is like when someone thinks card counting is illegal, when we all know its not. It may seem as if it would be illegal, but im going to say as of this point its not illegal at all. Just an offense that will for sure get you banned from a casino just like counting.

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and to me it is the equivalent of the "betting syndicates" where they really dont care how many punters are putting their money up.

the only thing that i would say might be actually defined as illegal is dealer collusion with a player, but not player to player collusion

Quote: lilredrooster

your attitude seems to be since you're cheating the house it's okay
it's not a very long step from there to cheating investors, partners or team members



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That's a fairly big leap. Where do you draw the line? If someone collects unearned drawing tickets or sneaks food into the movie theater should we assume they will cheat evryone else?

Quote: AxelWolf

That's a fairly big leap. Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line when there is a significant amount of money involved
If I'm exclusive with a woman and I'm aware that she shoplifts I shouldn't be surprised if she cheats on me if for some reason she wants to


and as I'm sure you know - cheating among and between AP team members is not an infrequent thing and is surely a consideration before joining, forming or leading a team

Quote: heatmap

i dont know why but i highly doubt that there is a single law that disallows player collusion.

you might be right but the link is a story of a British (granted - not the U.S.) poker player being prosecuted partly because of collusion

also, the house might look at it completely differently if it's the house being cheated compared to colluding players cheating other players

it's possible that gambling laws are written in such a vague manner that they're intended to allow charges to be brought for incidences that are not specifically described




https://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/10/darren-woods-faces-charges-for-collusion-19580.htm

deleted by me the post above answers my question

Regarding passive collusion in table games: If I can see something at a casino table, I am allowed to think about the implications of what I've seen. The casino gives us the option of making our own choices about wagering and in-game decisions and certainly welcomes anyone who doubles down on hard 16 or who folds a K-high hand at 3-card poker.

As for laws restricting teams from signaling, etc: We just had the outrageous Mike Postle cheating scandal in live poker where we learned that the state of California doesn't prosecute people for cheating at poker.

Laws restricting the exchange of information between two parties are usually very hard to enforce.

Quote: gordonm888

Regarding passive collusion in table games: If I can see something at a casino table, I am allowed to think about the implications of what I've seen. The casino gives us the option of making our own choices about wagering and in-game decisions and certainly welcomes anyone who doubles down on hard 16 or who folds a K-high hand at 3-card poker.

As for laws restricting teams from signaling, etc: We just had the outrageous Mike Postle cheating scandal in live poker where we learned that the state of California doesn't prosecute people for cheating at poker.

Laws restricting the exchange of information between two parties are usually very hard to enforce.

one of the last times i played live poker at wind creek, i was at a table where these two people sitting at the opposite ends of the table were actually husband and wife. i could tell something was going on because they were just too soft on each other. i think for some reason, because i have a big mouth, i said something and they confirmed they were together. the minute they left, i was informed by some of the players that the casino actually does not allow them to sit at the same table, or it was law, which i cant find right now.

so now that im reminicsing about this there may be a law that pertains to this but not specifically collusion itself, just circumstances that can lead to collusion.

Quote: AxelWolf

That's a fairly big leap. Where do you draw the line? If someone collects unearned drawing tickets or sneaks food into the movie theater should we assume they will cheat evryone else?

Thank you for saying that. I feel lilredrooster was just caviling (very picky)

Nothing but a dumb moron!

Quote: GMan

Nothing but a dumb moron!

Now now, GMan. I have to give you 3 days for personal insult.

Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

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Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

You just called the membership "SUCKERS" I demand a Mission style resignation! ;)

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Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

You just called the membership "SUCKERS" I demand a Mission style resignation! ;)

That was not my intent: That is not my intent ;p

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Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

I will not. As I said, I do not ask anything for return

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Quote: OnceDear

Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

I will not. As I said, I do not ask anything for return

Thank you. It will be interesting to see how popular or unpopular you become if you start revealing active advantage plays. Remember, some Advantage players here make their living doing stuff that casinoes are unaware of and casino managements read this forum too.

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Quote: JimLee

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: JimLee

FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you

Jimlee, Please note that if you must never try to use this forum to sell a system, or to rope in suckers. rule 10.
/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215

I will not. As I said, I do not ask anything for return

Thank you. It will be interesting to see how popular or unpopular you become if you start revealing active advantage plays. Remember, some Advantage players here make their living doing stuff that casinoes are unaware of and casino managements read this forum too.

Very good reminder. I probably will not reveal locations anymore. Only the method

I received a few opposition on my sharing the information, even insult. So I wrote this. Part of it is my response to Don. BJA's author.


There might be different opinions on what I did and thinking to do in the future. Let me explain myself. As you can see, I learned a lot and received a lot of help from other APs. books, in person, etc. So now as I almost retired from physical casino playing. I feel I could return the favor that others gave me before and contribute my 2 cents to the community.


I feel you should be able to understand because you also wrote books to teach others. Actually, I know a Singapore AP read and learned a lot from your book and attacked (well, also destroyed) lots of games in Asia and make millions. Will people accuse you of sharing too much?


The second reason I like to share is I believe in teamwork. As I wrote in the OP, I did not make any money during my solo playing. I think teamwork saved me. So I would like to find people who are willing to trust others and form teams
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I have no intention to involve in arguments. I am actually quite busy. But I need to clarify this. I never worked, am not working, and will not work for Casino. I don't know if there is a way to prove to those who already believed I am. But for the others.

First, you can contact the editor of CBJN, Al to confirm I am PING, the reporter. I send my report use the same email address I provide here.

Second, I am posting partial screenshots of the accounting spreadsheet of one of my team in the Philippine attacking a Bac side bet game last Aug to Sep. I have permission from all the members of that team to post it. Sorry, the language is in Chinese. But if you can find someone to translate it. You will know it is real. (It is hard to post a pic here, please go to my posts in other forums to see the screenshots)
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For those guys accuse me of sharing in open boards. Honestly, I do this partly because I have no choice. As I said in OP, I have NO contacts in the US AP community at all. Open forums are the only place I can speak my voice. (I consider those paid forums the same as open forums, if ANYONE can pay a small amount to join those paid forums, what's the difference of paid and free forum)

If you guys have some private AP circles you are willing to invite me in. I will be more than happy to share sensitive information only in those circles

There will always be a few that are against sharing plays in a public forum. If not many.

I can think of at least one member (Rigondeaux) who boycotted this forum after someone's play was not deleted.