CaliAli
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February 24th, 2020 at 3:57:27 PM permalink
I was wondering if there was any difference in basic strategy for Stadium Blackjack vs "normal".

Specifically, in regular blackjack the dealer's hole card is already dealt. In stadium blackjack I played at Venetian this past weekend, the dealer's hole card is determined when you stop taking cards - the next card then becomes the dealer's hole card.

Would there be a case where basic strategy is altered because if you don't hit (take the next card), then that same card will then become the the dealer's "hole" card?

I hope I explained my question well.
sabre
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February 24th, 2020 at 4:05:19 PM permalink
As long as you don't lose splits and doubles to a dealer bj, then it's irrelevant whether the dealer takes the hole card first, last, or in the middle.
CaliAli
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February 25th, 2020 at 10:10:17 AM permalink
It is not when the dealer gets the card - it is that the dealer gets your next card if you decide to stand.

For instance suppose you're dealt 4-3 and the dealer shows 6. If the next card is a ten would that help you more than it would hurt the dealer? (17-6 vs 7-16) There is a linkage that exists in stadium than does not exist in normal blackjack.
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February 25th, 2020 at 10:28:38 AM permalink
No, there isn't. It's irrelevant if you don't know the card.
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February 25th, 2020 at 10:34:57 AM permalink
Quote: CaliAli

It is not when the dealer gets the card - it is that the dealer gets your next card if you decide to stand.

For instance suppose you're dealt 4-3 and the dealer shows 6. If the next card is a ten would that help you more than it would hurt the dealer? (17-6 vs 7-16) There is a linkage that exists in stadium than does not exist in normal blackjack.



even if you donít hit, if anyone else hits, then that next card gets used up.

It doesnít matter strategy wise. But even if you wanted the dealer to get the next card. how can you control what the other players do ?
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February 25th, 2020 at 10:41:30 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

As long as you don't lose splits and doubles to a dealer bj, then it's irrelevant whether the dealer takes the hole card first, last, or in the middle.



Itís not irrelevant. It affects EV calculations when comparing hitting to standing if you canít eliminate a T hole card when the dealer is showing an A.
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michael99000
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February 25th, 2020 at 11:24:51 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Itís not irrelevant. It affects EV calculations when comparing hitting to standing if you canít eliminate a T hole card when the dealer is showing an A.



It sounded like the OP was not referring to those type of strategy changes.

He just wants to cause the dealer to get one unseen hole card instead of another unseen hole card.
Last edited by: michael99000 on Feb 25, 2020
CaliAli
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February 25th, 2020 at 11:44:53 AM permalink
That is incorrect. The dealer draw two cards for the player and one card for the dealer. Then the dealer draws out "community cards" until every player has either stood or busted, and if any players have not busted, then draws more cards if needed until the dealer's hand is finished for all players who have stood. The dealer's hand is different for players that make different decisions.
For instance:
Say you have 10-2 vs dealer 6.
All players have the the same hand.
One player stands and the other hits.
Dealer draws a 4
The second player now stands.
The first player now has 10-2 vs dealers 6-4
The second players has 10-2-4 vs dealers 6
The dealer draws a 10
First player now has 10-2 vs dealers 6-4-10 - dealer has 20 and the first player loses.
Second players now has 10-2-4 vs dealer 6-10
The dealer draws another 10
First player has already lost
Second player now has 10-2-4 vs dealer 6-10-10 - dealer has busted and the second player wins.

In this instance the dealers hole card was 4 for the first player and 10 for the second player.
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February 25th, 2020 at 12:02:59 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

As long as you don't lose splits and doubles to a dealer bj, then it's irrelevant whether the dealer takes the hole card first, last, or in the middle.



This is correct.
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CaliAli
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February 25th, 2020 at 1:37:45 PM permalink
In stadium poker you can't affect other hands (like being third base and and taking the dealers bust card).

But you are basically playing heads up and instead of taking the dealers (possible) bust card you are taking the dealers hole card.
I don't know if there is a difference in odds and even if there is the difference is enough to affect basic strategy. I've scoured the internet looking for a discussion on why or why not it, but haven't found anything.

I think maybe I'll program a special stadium simulator and do a few million hands and see if I find anything.

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