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RS
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January 11th, 2019 at 12:49:05 AM permalink
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Definitely disagree =P. Especially with a beard I'd venture myself or bruce look (and are) older than him... and we have the trouble of getting ID'd ALLLLLLL the time just to walk in to a casino, not even playing.


Las Vegas is pretty lax on ID'ing people though. They do it a lot more in the Midwest and the South, particularly because they have ID checkpoints when entering a casino.
Romes
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January 11th, 2019 at 12:51:34 AM permalink
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Las Vegas is pretty lax on ID'ing people though. They do it a lot more in the Midwest and the South, particularly because they have ID checkpoints when entering a casino.

Eh... kind of disagree. The first time I went to vegas when I was 21 (over a decade ago) I never got ID'd ONE TIME and I must have looked like I was 14. Last few times I've been in vegas I get constantly ID'd going from one table over to the one next to it... at every place I go.
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January 11th, 2019 at 1:32:10 AM permalink
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It seems unlikely to me that ZK will be able to appear before the SCOTUS, assuming he represents himself.

They reject / do not allow most of the cases / appeals which are filed with their clerk to go to hearing; they winnow the wheat from the chaff and, and try to accept, hear, and decide only cases which they deem important.

Without an experienced attorney to help him with his pleadings I just can't see him making the cut: the odds are against him.

But he might be able to pull it off: other pro se litigants have.

high hopes

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January 11th, 2019 at 1:43:16 AM permalink
Buffets are close analogies but not a good enough analogy. At cards you can make all the same bets a counter would make, but if at the right time, you'll be asked to leave, etc. This whole tangent is a fallacy, it's persuasive, but too persuasive. The poor buffet owner, with a room full of anorexics, and he has one obese couple ruining his business.
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January 11th, 2019 at 1:46:50 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Buffets are close analogies but not a good enough analogy. At cards you can make all the same bets a counter would make, but if at the right time, you'll be asked to leave, etc. This whole tangent is a fallacy, it's persuasive, but too persuasive. The poor buffet owner, with a room full of anorexics, and he has one obese couple ruining his business.



Not to mention, a casino can never PROVE you are counting regardless of what their siftware says, you dont know whats inside their brain, so who is to say casinos are not discriminating vs you? If i wear a religious tshirt for the rest of my life to casinos and i get thrown out I will sue for discrimination against my religion. Or even better idea is to wear a burqa to mask my face from surveillance while also having the ability to sue for discrimination against my religion. Two can play this game.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 11th, 2019 at 1:49:19 AM permalink
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Not to mention, a casino can never PROVE you are counting regardless of what their siftware says, you dont know whats inside their brain, so who is to say casinos are not discriminating vs you? If i wear a religious tshirt for the rest of my life to casinos and i get thrown out I will sue for discrimination against my religion.



No, no your wonít. You will just come here and complain like you always do. If you were actually serious about this, you would have already started the process.

Instead itís more look at me.
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January 11th, 2019 at 2:01:21 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Eh... kind of disagree. The first time I went to vegas when I was 21 (over a decade ago) I never got ID'd ONE TIME and I must have looked like I was 14. Last few times I've been in vegas I get constantly ID'd going from one table over to the one next to it... at every place I go.



Perhaps they recognize your OSN photo and are letting you know.
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January 11th, 2019 at 2:13:42 AM permalink
I think Slade knew exactly why he was banned at CZR Mississippi and didn't go through that discovery to avoid personal embarrassment. One makes the assumption that Slade's team failed to do something that would have turned the case around. The one dissenting judge that makes the discovery point believes it is relevant to the outcome. The second dissenting judge thinks that the purpose of Slade is relevant and that CZR is acting as an innkeeper hosting a convention rather than a purveyor of games.

The difference in your case is that they exercised 463.129.1.e properly. They read you the statement and likely wrote down why. This would be used as evidence and they would show that they excluded you as allowed under NRS rules. Since Nevada supreme court already set precedent in the case you would lose at that level forcing you to appeal to SCOTUS.

Bob N was the champion of these cases all of the time and it was his efforts that stopped casino security violent interventions (backrooms). So you can thank him that security personnel don't beat you up in some hallway somewhere. You could probably also consult a real lawyer who has dealt with cases like yours before rather than spout here.

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January 11th, 2019 at 3:23:59 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I think Slade knew exactly why he was banned at CZR Mississippi and didn't go through that discovery to avoid personal embarrassment. One makes the assumption that Slade's team failed to do something that would have turned the case around. The one dissenting judge that makes the discovery point believes it is relevant to the outcome. The second dissenting judge thinks that the purpose of Slade is relevant and that CZR is acting as an innkeeper hosting a convention rather than a purveyor of games.

The difference in your case is that they exercised 463.129.1.e properly. They read you the statement and likely wrote down why. This would be used as evidence and they would show that they excluded you as allowed under NRS rules. Since Nevada supreme court already set precedent in the case you would lose at that level forcing you to appeal to SCOTUS.

Bob N was the champion of these cases all of the time and it was his efforts that stopped casino security violent interventions (backrooms). So you can thank him that security personnel don't beat you up in some hallway somewhere. You could probably also consult a real lawyer who has dealt with cases like yours before rather than spout here.

Take action. Crowdsource your legal fund. Do something!!!!



First off, them reading me the trespass statute and them writing down the reason(which they probably didnt), is irrelevant to whether I can seek discovery in district court. The whole point of seeking discovery in trial court is to get it on the RECORD so they drop the case once it is found they excluded you without GOOD CAUSE. This isnt exactly a private home that can say get off my lawn and the previous court decisions all prove it. The slade case proved it as well if you actually know what youre reading and why something was said the way it was said as I described many times already.

Secondly, that is not a valid reason to exclude. You cannot exclude someone in a public place without GOOD CAUSE. You seek discovery in district court, the case gets dropped every time. Card counting is NOT GOOD CAUSE.

Lastly, i dont thank Bob for anything, I domt care about getting dragged into a backroom, I welcome it. I wouldnt care about getting beat up. First off, its going to take at least 5 security guards to even have a chance at kicking my ass. Secondly, Im not scared of anyone in these casinos. They can beat me up 500 times, ill keep coming back for more. They will have to put me in a hole in the desert like they did in the 50s to ever get rid of me in this town. Im not going anywhere, whether its prison or a backroom, I will keep coming back. They better kill me before i get a decision in this town.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 11th, 2019 at 4:30:07 AM permalink
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Lastly, i dont thank Bob for anything, I domt care about getting dragged into a backroom, I welcome it. I wouldnt care about getting beat up. First off, its going to take at least 5 security guards to even have a chance at kicking my ass. Secondly, Im not scared of anyone in these casinos. They can beat me up 500 times, ill keep coming back for more. They will have to put me in a hole in the desert like they did in the 50s to ever get rid of me in this town. Im not going anywhere, whether its prison or a backroom, I will keep coming back. They better kill me before i get a decision in this town.



More classic comedy from the "King". You should try when the allow anyone onstage at comedy clubs. You could help your bankroll as well.

You're just another not good card counter in Las Vegas. They've seen a thousand of you before and will see a thousand after you. You may (still to be determined) have enough skill to actually count to an advantage and win a little, but you are lacking other key skills that make a tough AP. Anyone can learn to count. Not everyone can handle the stress and pressure.


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