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MrV
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January 5th, 2019 at 8:52:15 PM permalink
So far as I can tell, the court merely confirmed, albeit for the first time via Supreme Court ruling, that the "common law" and Nevada statutes were being interpreted and enforced correctly, and that the public can be excluded for any reason so long as the reason is not unlawful.

Card counting is not an unlawful reason, thus counters have been excluded for years and the law of Nevada has supported and still supports that action.

I don't look at the ruling as breaking new ground, although of course it is now legal precedent.

You're relatively young and arguably not inured yet to the ways of the world: tilt at that windmill, Don Quixote: I hope you win.
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ZenKinG
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January 6th, 2019 at 12:06:54 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

So far as I can tell, the court merely confirmed, albeit for the first time via Supreme Court ruling, that the "common law" and Nevada statutes were being interpreted and enforced correctly, and that the public can be excluded for any reason so long as the reason is not unlawful.

Card counting is not an unlawful reason, thus counters have been excluded for years and the law of Nevada has supported and still supports that action.

I don't look at the ruling as breaking new ground, although of course it is now legal precedent.

You're relatively young and arguably not inured yet to the ways of the world: tilt at that windmill, Don Quixote: I hope you win.



If you are truly being sincere amd believe the Slade decision chamged anything, then you are reading the Slade court case with such bias that it blinds you and are probably suffering from cognitive dissonance because even when the Slade court TELLS you what actually happened and that Slade never sought discovery in district court and so the supreme court couldnt make a decision regarding it, you still develop an instinctual bias and asusmption that they ruled on the exact topic they said they would not rule on. The judge didnt make things easy to understand either by constantly contradicting himself and being vague. You must look deeper than what meets the eye when he says 'unless otherwise unlawful'. The Thomas Robertson case explained what 'unlawful meant' and that included excluding people for non disorderly and non disruptive charges such as card counting. The judge in the Slade case basically just confused everyone by leaving the word 'unlawful' in there for casinos to have more leverage in what was truly meant in the deciding case while also staying constitutional.

The Slade court case according to you gave the casinos the right to exclude anyone at will as long as it was non-discriminatory, right? So go ahead and tell me why vegas loaded up with 6-5 tables right after the Slade decision? Things that make you go hmmm...
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
ZenKinG
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January 6th, 2019 at 12:11:57 AM permalink
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Correct. The police will not come unless they confirm with me that I have told the person in question to leave and are refusing to do so. That is what will trigger a police response. Refusing to leave once told to do so by the person in charge of the business.



And if that person leaves, but comes back another time, you must still give him the opportunity to leave once again, correct? I believe its the same in vegas and the casinos know this. As i said its a major bluff going on in vegas as well as the whole country.

I also need to find out if a casino would consider someone being disorderly or disruptive if they called gaming about shady procedures in place or possible cadino cheating going on? Would you consider that 'disruptive or disorderly' cmlotito? Because Ive noticed the only times ive been read the trespass act has been when I called gaming on a previous trip.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Zcore13
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January 6th, 2019 at 12:27:21 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

So go ahead and tell me why vegas loaded up with 6-5 tables right after the Slade decision? Things that make you go hmmm...



They added 6-5 blackjack because they make more money and people don't have a clue. Same reason most have reduced their video poker machine count. Same reason most places are cracking down on free drinks. Same reason almost every place charges a resort fee. Same reason many places now charge for parking. Money. Or do you think all of those things are because of Slade too??


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I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
ZenKinG
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January 6th, 2019 at 1:27:23 AM permalink
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They added 6-5 blackjack because they make more money and people don't have a clue. Same reason most have reduced their video poker machine count. Same reason most places are cracking down on free drinks. Same reason almost every place charges a resort fee. Same reason many places now charge for parking. Money. Or do you think all of those things are because of Slade too??


ZCore13



Too coincidental because if you understand what the Slade ruling actually did and you combine the fact that blackjack has never been changed that drastically, for it to all coincide at the same time is quite symbolic whereas other games have constantly been changed up and down for many decades.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
cmlotito
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January 6th, 2019 at 1:53:08 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

And if that person leaves, but comes back another time, you must still give him the opportunity to leave once again, correct? I believe its the same in vegas and the casinos know this. As i said its a major bluff going on in vegas as well as the whole country.

I also need to find out if a casino would consider someone being disorderly or disruptive if they called gaming about shady procedures in place or possible cadino cheating going on? Would you consider that 'disruptive or disorderly' cmlotito? Because Ive noticed the only times ive been read the trespass act has been when I called gaming on a previous trip.



I am always suppose to tell them to "leave now or I will call the police and you will be arrested for tresspassing."

If they do come back I will just get on my cell phone in front of them and that is good enough to get their feet moving towards the door. Depending on my mood I might say something like "If j see you again in my store I will just call the police and you will be arrested. You won't even know I have seen you. But the police will still show up and you will be arrested."

I'm pretty good at intimidating people due to many years of listening to my father yell.

Thanks Dad.
ZenKinG
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January 6th, 2019 at 2:11:27 AM permalink
Quote: cmlotito

I am always suppose to tell them to "leave now or I will call the police and you will be arrested for tresspassing."

If they do come back I will just get on my cell phone in front of them and that is good enough to get their feet moving towards the door. Depending on my mood I might say something like "If j see you again in my store I will just call the police and you will be arrested. You won't even know I have seen you. But the police will still show up and you will be arrested."

I'm pretty good at intimidating people due to many years of listening to my father yell.

Thanks Dad.



So thank you for confirming everything I have said and not masquerading the truth. All an intimidation tactic and casinos must tell you to leave each time just like I said it was. I never argued about not leaving, just about the ability to return each and every time and that a casino cannot restrict you from entering the premises the next time.

Props to you. Thank you very much.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
cmlotito
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January 6th, 2019 at 2:32:46 AM permalink
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So thank you for confirming everything I have said and not masquerading the truth. All an intimidation tactic and casinos must tell you to leave each time just like I said it was. I never argued about not leaving, just about the ability to return each and every time and that a casino cannot restrict you from entering the premises the next time.

Props to you. Thank you very much.



I was told this by police in Virginia. Maybe Nevada is different. I don't know.
ZenKinG
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January 6th, 2019 at 3:00:08 AM permalink
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I was told this by police in Virginia. Maybe Nevada is different. I don't know.



No it's not because it's a federal issue and a fundamental right of all citizens in this country to be able to access a public place. YES, CASINOS ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC PLACES. They're either 'public amusements', or 'gaming establishments', or whatever in between, all public in nature when one seeks out the definition.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
ChumpChange
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January 6th, 2019 at 3:57:28 AM permalink
People be getting lifetime bans from WalMart. What happened? A cashier tore up a big $100 bill somebody just gave them and the customer lost their s**t? #Triggered

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