Jmarch79
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July 10th, 2018 at 4:42:58 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Splitting tens?

If the cards are indeed clumped splitting and resplitting tens would grab all the clumped cards - unless yhe dealer takes both cards up front

But if he takes his second card after dealing everyone else then split and resplit until tens fail to appear

Just a thought

EDIT: I know i have seen this somewhere but I imagine in most places the dealer takes both cards upfront

Definitely insurance is offered its upfront



The dealing procedure you described (dealer taking the hole card at the end) is done in AC casinos when two or less decks is used. Previously, most stores offered multiple games dealt like this, now only two total games in one property remain.
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July 10th, 2018 at 6:53:45 PM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

The dealing procedure you described (dealer taking the hole card at the end) is done in AC casinos when two or less decks is used. Previously, most stores offered multiple games dealt like this, now only two total games in one property remain.



Thanks

Too bad. Would have been a great counter to this situation i suppose. Would really have thrown them off lol
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July 10th, 2018 at 7:47:18 PM permalink
I know quite a bit about shufflers and have owned many. I will try to answer any questions people might have in this thread.

But, not every shuffler model can sort a deck. And there certainly isn't anything in the software shipped by SHFL that allows you to change the arrangement when the shuffler is in shuffle mode.
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July 11th, 2018 at 3:23:21 PM permalink
I'd try to split tens against a dealer low card if I thought it would alter a bad shoe and I was playing alone.
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July 11th, 2018 at 3:56:11 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I'd try to split tens against a dealer low card if I thought it would alter a bad shoe and I was playing alone.



Great idea, because altering a shoe works great. Sometimes I move one spot left or right to throw things off when I'm alone on a table.


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July 11th, 2018 at 3:59:38 PM permalink
I never play alone. I always want a guy on third base I can blame my losses on.
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July 11th, 2018 at 4:24:27 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Great idea, because altering a shoe works great. Sometimes I move one spot left or right to throw things off when I'm alone on a table.


ZCore13

lol. I do that. confuses the hell out of the dealer
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July 14th, 2018 at 3:00:01 PM permalink
To get back to the original topic of this thread...

How are the decks originally loaded into the shuffler? Let's not start another tangent on pre-shuffled decks, but assume that somehow a clumped-up deck or combinations of decks were loaded into the ASM at the start of the day/shift. Could the overloaded clump of tens be perpetuated across multiple "shuffles" where the mixing of the cards is not random enough to redistribute all of the cards? Suppose a pre-clumped deck was never really shuffled when it was returned to the ASM?

This possibility would not be effected by playing hands differently so that the EXACT sequence of cards is not repeated. Other than a slight variation based on differences in play, all of the cards of a single round would be put into the discard pile together, more or less like they were the shuffle before.

Is this an ASM like I have seen everywhere - two sets of cards are alternated so that play is more or less continuous? Does this situation arise only on every other shoe? So that one deck is pre-conditioned with clumps of tens whereas the alternate deck is not?

Send in a sacrificial player who sits down at the table, plays a few rounds, and then demands that the cards be removed from the shoe and washed in his presence. Or "accidentally" spill a drink on the supposedly gaffed set of cards such that a fresh set of cards needs to be brought out. Rinse and repeat to see if the observed situation continues.

I do not believe that Oswald acted alone. Rosemary Woods erased the 18 minutes on purpose. Tom Brady wanted less air in his footballs. But I don't think this one is a conspiracy. If it is, they got some big ones, those guys running the EC, that's all's I know.
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July 14th, 2018 at 3:12:44 PM permalink
Your profession is not listed on your profile. I am guessing casino management employee. Or a member of SHFL's evil empire.
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July 14th, 2018 at 7:32:11 PM permalink
What model shuffler is it? Is it a Shuffle Master product, or something else? I am not familiar with machines that require a code to be entered.
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