OnceDear
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February 13th, 2018 at 4:56:06 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

Im not AP when it comes to blackjack, but i will label myself AP when it comes to roulette.

Hi again,
I'm really sorry, heatmap, but your posts here are going to get critical analysis. Don't take personal offence as your ideas get shredded and, dare I say, mocked.
How can you conceivably be an AP with roulette?
Ignoring your blackjack observations for a moment: You suggest that your casino uses dubious hardware to eject the ball from some pockets at times where it is to their advantage to do so. Surely you realise that such knowledge would give you a MASSIVE cash advantage? Don't write about it: Exploit it!
I don't for one millisecond believe that your casino does this ( oh, and that patent DOES NOT describe the process that you describe ). But if they did, consider this: They would only have an incentive to eject the ball from a number, if the amount staked on that number was a significantly bigger risk to them than the total staked on all the other numbers into which the ball would be directed. So, watch the table: watch all the numbers with significant wagers, and then make an equal modest wager on all the other numbers. Use combination bets to simplify your attack. The casino would be helping you to win at the expense of the high roller being cheated, because they don't want the other 'high roller' to win. With the casino cheating in your favour, what could go wrong?
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
OnceDear
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February 13th, 2018 at 5:01:09 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

I use the add both cards up in one hand to get one score and then calculate the next hand with the last score method

There are a few card counting techniques, but this is not a meaningful description of any part of any viable system that I recognise. Maybe you could provide a link to a full description of this 'method'
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
odiousgambit

Joined: Nov 9, 2009
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February 13th, 2018 at 5:21:05 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

How can you conceivably be an AP with roulette?

I don't think you can flatly say it is impossible, I don't care to look up cases but there have been wheels determined to not produce random results and so wheel trackers who had a slight edge. Perhaps we can entertain the possibility certain croupiers are either sloppy about procedure or, even, talented, allowing chance of prediction.

I won't count people who have tried to come up with special equipment to track velocity and all that, since that equipment of course has to be hidden.

On the other hand, if the OP was a tracker of biased wheels or desirable croupiers it seems he would simply come out and say so, making you right that he is no AP in roulette.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
OnceDear
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February 13th, 2018 at 5:27:23 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I don't think you can flatly say it is impossible,...

Indeed. There are Visual Balistics experts and biased wheel exploiters, and potentially bonus exploits that might make for an AP. Plus my newly invented technique of riding on the back of a cheating ball ejecting wheel. But the OP gives no description of which type of AP technique he adopts. My question goes to the heart of assessing the reliability of his judgement.
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On the other hand, if the OP was a tracker of biased wheels or desirable croupiers it seems he would simply come out and say so, making you right that he is no AP in roulette.

Exactly.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
Keyser
Joined: Apr 16, 2010
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February 13th, 2018 at 3:41:56 PM permalink
Quote: Odiusgambit

Perhaps we can entertain the possibility certain croupiers are either sloppy about procedure or, even, talented, allowing chance of prediction.

I don't know why a roulette AP would need to rely on a dealer. I also can't understand why someone jumps into conspiracy theories when the house edge is more than sufficient to wipe out someones bankroll over time. These days, gamblers are dumb enough that casinos can openly cheat by offering 6/5 games, rather than having to resort to some obscure cheat/shuffle move.
BlackjackGuy123
Joined: Jul 27, 2017
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Thanks for this post from:
February 13th, 2018 at 6:52:25 PM permalink
Is it possible that shufflers are rigging the game? Theoretically, I suppose, but the odds against it are extremely long. First of all, the people at the shuffle machine company would have to be in on it. And then everyone who knew about it at the casino would have to be keeping it quiet and not say calling the gaming commission. Plus there is the cut which basically randomizes the deck. Now technically there are some rigged orders that work no matter where the deck is cut so we can't definitively rule it out yet, but if I was a gambling man (and I am) I'd put the odds of you being cheated at least 10,000:1 against. Plus you could just switch casinos or dealers or whatever, I mean even if by some absurd coincidence of fate one place was cheating the odds of two places having some rigged shuffling machine would be truly astronomical.

I think the most logical explanation is that the mind is very adept at recognizing patterns even where none exist and that you are actually playing a straight up game but losing at a rate of roughly 2% on account of your basic strategy errors and desperately trying to externalize the blame for this loss to someone else.
heatmap
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
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February 14th, 2018 at 5:24:06 AM permalink
I don't doubt yall are correct but I'd like someone who has even heard of the iterated prisoners dilemma to let me know if it's 1. Even possible to apply to blackjack and 2. Why it's not possible
heatmap
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February 14th, 2018 at 5:56:14 AM permalink
And to be honest this is the Internet I don't really care what anyone says to me I'm not taking it personally I'd rather you be honest than lie to me, even if you don't know you are lying because I know it had good intentions anyways ;)
billryan
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
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February 14th, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM permalink
I'd love to get a job at a casino that regularly cheated ,to the point that all the dealers were in on it. Best AP move ever.
heatmap
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February 14th, 2018 at 5:33:07 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I'd love to get a job at a casino that regularly cheated ,to the point that all the dealers were in on it. Best AP move ever.

Im going to be the first you ever hear that doesnt blame the casino. Its the gaming control board, at least around my area, who oredered all machines within the walls of the casino. The casino is a SHELL that houses employees.

The employees are not in on it, because they dont need to be when any kind of computer is involved.

Computers do so much more than you can imagine that it would probably take a lifetime for you to list the tasks that one computer does in 1 hour.

Its time to take into account WHAT ISNT ILLEGAL. Its time to say I dont believe humans are good at heart when everyone from stockholders to the states that house these casinos are EXPECTING, not GAMBLING for a chance at your money.

Edit : Plus are you sure not everyone who keeps saying "the casinos wouldnt do that they wouldnt risk their license" - isnt insane - repeatedly saying the same thing over and over - yet still lose more than occasionally - because with my theory the casino didnt risk their license as the state invites the casinos into their borders.