using the red 7 count when the shuffle point isnt known

in the past week, im up a little over $2000 on the last VBJ left in the USA (to my knowledge which hasnt been removed) of the old time shufflemasters which shuffle 4 out of 6 decks. in other cities theyve been replaced by VBJ's which either shuffle every hand, or even worse, pay 6-5. (plus some dealers angels). i've been told by Benny from the closed down RTP forum whose Cutters and chaperones friend, its worth $50 per hour, but im sure its not. ive been told since u dont see when they shuffle to use the red 7 count to periodically adjust your running total.

but is this right? i feel really weird when at minus 19, 2 red 7's come up and using the red 7 count will adjust the count back towards 0 more than if the 4,3,6,2,3 came out. i've also told its better than dealers angels because it deals so much quicker, and 66% penetration is so much better than 38%

With a $1 to $100 spread and a very basic counting system I get a conservative estimate of $20 per hour. With stronger counting and a players card it could definitely be worth up to $50 per hour or more.

Not sure where you are, but I know of one in northern Nevada and another one in Montana, so that’s at least two in the US

the one in northern NV in the Biltmore got removed, so did the one in findlay NV, unless u mean one im not aware of. this one here dont use cards. no comps. from what i know of MT state law, BJ isnt permitted and the max bet on any type of machine is only $2. i am further out east than MT. do u know about a new machine in Idaho? wondering if its giving points or beatable, dont know much about it, never been there, or know anyone who has

Not Biltmore, eastern side of Nevada. The other one may be in one of the Dakotas, not Montana, but there are definitely at least two of them in the US. There are quite a lot of beatable machines in Idaho.