Just got cheated on Indian Soil
For all you people that have reading comprehension issues and dont read what i actually write, the incident with the shuffler machine not turning red was on a DIFFERENT table and it was a DOUBLE DECK game where they actually fan the cards face up. The shuffler most likely came up after it read it had less cards than it should have, but i dont remember if dealer pushed it to come up or it came up by itself. My problem is why didnt it turn red just like the manager confirmed later that it should have? Dont auto shufflers turn red if theres a card missing and not just pop back up?
I played the 6 deck game right next to that table and i counted a shoe before and it went minus. So after all that i gave them the benefit of the doubt since double deck games they do show the cards and maybe i was just too paranoid that it didnt turn red. Maybe the shuffler came up by itself etc. So i jump in at +1 on the 6 deck table and basically lose all my big bets at +3 to +5. I lose that shoe, argue with all pit managers and leave. They refused to do a test or confirm all the cards are there, but rather say 'Trust me everything is there, we are regulated'. I told them 'Regulated by who, indian tribes'? 'That makes it legit alright'. Told them theres absolutely no recourse on sovereign land so i might as well jump off a bridge and then just left.
My suspicions about indian casinos turned out to be right. Never again playing in them again. Whether empirical data or small sampling size, i dont care. I dont remember the last time i lost 2k in one shoe pure wonging only betting 2x200 other than when i lost over 3k at Harrahs and Sands(what a coincidence) but both of them ended with me playing heads up not with another player. I reduced my wager for these indians just in case and luckily i did. For this rare loss to coincide exactly when i wqs playing so well leads me to believe once again ive been cheated. Harrahs and all indian casinos are rigged. Not a coincidence that youll also find a Harrahs casino on sovereign land as well LOL. Absolutely sickening.
For those saying im not an AP, well see what my career earnings are before its all said and done. Just more ppl who dont believe in me. Just how i like it. Go back to your rabbit holes.
How is that beyond the scope of mathematical probability, even WITH card counting?
Quote: TigerWuSo you lost a few hands out of one shoe?
How is that beyond the scope of mathematical probability, even WITH card counting?
Its not. Like i said i dont care about winning or losing. But the lack of transparency, the history of indian casinos, the shuffling machine incident, and the fact that a huge loss pure wonging rarely happens to me as well it happening exactly at a time when i was unbeatable leads me to believe one thing. These indians are corrupt dirty pathetic individuals.
I hate to say it and bring this up again, but the cards came pre shuffled as well. So now we have indian pre shuffled cards. God help me
Quote: ZenKinGFor this rare loss to coincide exactly when i was playing so well leads me to believe once again I've been cheated. Harrahs and all indian casinos are rigged
First off, wtf do you mean by 'coincide exactly when I was playing so well'? Surely you always play to the same high standard?
So what you're basically saying is that the rare loss coincided with when you were playing, which isn't much of a coincidence at all, is it?
What was your percentage edge when you played those 2x200 hands? Lets say it was a massive 2%. Don't you really understand that that is f*** all compared to the massive variance in play. You could have had half a dozen consecutive losing max bets and it would not have been even remotely out of the ordinary, even with a great count.
I try to be supportive of you, because you are giving it a shot. But your last several posts show that you just don't have what it takes in demeanour, mathematical comprehension, or plain common sense. What kind of card counter argues with pit managers, especially at casinos where you have no legal redress and management that know it.
You are an AP. OK. Doesn't mean you are a good one or one with a bright future.
What absolute nonsense. There has not been one hand played where you were unbeatable.Quote: ZenKinG... happening exactly at a time when i was unbeatable ...
You had an unlucky streak, EXACTLY after a lucky streak. Wow. Obvious conspiracy.
When else do you think they occur? Only after other unlucky streaks? Oh, no. that would mean all casinos are rigged, because you are King.
Quote: OnceDearFirst off, wtf do you mean by 'coincide exactly when I was playing so well'? Surely you always play to the same high standard?
So what you're basically saying is that the rare loss coincided with when you were playing, which isn't much of a coincidence at all, is it?
What was your percentage edge when you played those 2x200 hands? Lets say it was a massive 2%. Don't you really understand that that is f*** all compared to the massive variance in play. You could have had half a dozen consecutive losing max bets and it would not have been even remotely out of the ordinary, even with a great count.
I try to be supportive of you, because you are giving it a shot. But your last several posts show that you just don't have what it takes in demeanour, mathematical comprehension, or plain common sense. What kind of card counter argues with pit managers, especially at casinos where you have no legal redress and management that know it.
You are an AP. OK. Doesn't mean you are a good one or one with a bright future.
Yea of course I can start losing regardless if I have been winning a lot. I guess I sounded like a 'gambler' for a second. I just hate the fact that once again, its like god loves to troll me. I just had to lose at this indian casino right? I mean it just had to happen right? I couldn't just go there and win. I went to a couple other indian casinos and won, but this whole indian casino trip and on the very last stop, i have a massive loss. I just couldnt come out a winner right? Just to anger me even more so now I can contemplate I've been cheated. Just sheer annoyance.
I dont have a bright future? Not a good one? We'll see about that. I must be the first player in history to not let his emotion seep into how he plays. I mean how amazing is that? Not once have i ever overbet due to anger. But as soon as Im finished playing I let it all out. Many on here seem to think it affects how I play and that I become a degenerate. 900 hours and 43k profit? Damn some degenerate I am. Even with all the cheating, I still cant be stopped. Luckily peoples opinions about me mean absolutely nothing. I hope everyone thinks im gonna fail, just makes it even sweeter.
Just post you’ve had a hard day , you didn’t play to your own personal guideline, I know what happened etc , don’t need the rant and rant and the excuses.
Most people here will give assistance but they seem to cut the cord when it comes one way street ie rants lack of ability to possibly see that you are wrong and the lack of applications to correct your short comings. In an earlier post ( page 4? ) I suggest that you have a break and a wee think. You know stop the spinning for awhile.
Oh by the way no one here has a clue what so ever in regards to what ever topic they are talking about. You are correct. Or are you?
So why post here ? Why not post here?
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Kind regards as per usual.
I'd get banned for posting what I thought you sounded like.Quote: ZenKinGI guess I sounded like a 'gambler' for a second.
Make your bloody mind up.Quote: ZenKinGI went to a couple other indian casinos and won,
If losing makes you angry. If any aspect of playing induces ANY emotional response, you just don't have a hope in hell as an AP.Quote: ZenKinGJust to anger me even more so now I can contemplate I've been cheated. Just sheer annoyance.
Quote: beachmonkeyNo one really cares how much money you post about or don’t post about as everything is a stroke away on a keyboard, this site is not about comparing each other’s meat size . If it was it would be called 12 inches of vegas.
Just post you’ve had a hard day , you didn’t play to your own personal guideline, I know what happened etc , don’t need the rant and rant and the excuses.
Most people here will give assistance but they seem to cut the cord when it comes one way street ie rants lack of ability to possibly see that you are wrong and the lack of applications to correct your short comings. In an earlier post ( page 4? ) I suggest that you have a break and a wee think. You know stop the spinning for awhile.
Oh by the way no one here has a clue what so ever in regards to what ever topic they are talking about. You are correct. Or are you?
So why post here ? Why not post here?
Kind regards
Kind regards
Kind regards as per usual.
This was written before you last post zenking and I see you have calmed down somewhat. Good man good start
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Quote: OnceDearI'd get banned for posting what I thought you sounded like.
Make your bloody mind up.
If losing makes you angry. If any aspect of playing induces ANY emotional response, you just don't have a hope in hell as an AP.
When did I say losing angers me? It's the lack of transparency that angers me. I dont give a rats ass about losing because I know Ill win in the end as long as its a fair game. Also the whole thing about losing after I've been winning is not to be confused with acting like a 'gambler' or something along those lines, it's just the fact that 'coincidentally' as soon as I go to some indian reservation I lose and not only do I lose, I have one of the worst shoes I've ever experienced wonging in and out. Hmmm
Quote: OnceDearWhat absolute nonsense. There has not been one hand played where you were unbeatable.
You had an unlucky streak, EXACTLY after a lucky streak. Wow. Obvious conspiracy.
When else do you think they occur? Only after other unlucky streaks? Oh, no. that would mean all casinos are rigged, because you are King.
Listen, I have played more hours in blackjack than 99% of people on this forum, i know the game. Me saying i was 'unbeatable' was just poking at some fun. I know that I can start losing at any time. the point you all seem to be missing is the anger comes from exactly when I go visit an Indian reservation, I start losing? Thats what angers me. Had I stayed local and played in vegas and dropped 2k, I wouldn't give a rats ass, even though I still dont trust half of these vegas casinos. I know the swings in this game. People seem to be reaching trying to discredit me. The thing is though, all of your opinions are irrelevant because I know how good I am and that the casino cant beat me. They can cheat me, they can do whatever they want, I still wont be beat. Over 43k profit in 950 hours with around a $200 average bet and a 1.5% edge I would say? 45k profit if you count the beginning 150 hours red chipping as well. All of this playing shoe games? Damn. Cant imagine the damage I could do playing pitch games. Im such a bad AP guys. Maybe I should quit while im ahead?
you are joking if yo think this is a long time spent at counting ha ha .
To become a passable tradesperson it takes 10 000hours
To become a passable Surgeon and I emphasise passable ie bottom of the ladder
takes 15 0000 hours.
Yep keep telling yourself what your telling yourself.
Yawn ( stretch stretch ) gee those roses smell good.
NEXT
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Don't quit playing. Just quit the belly-aching and boasting and the other thing that starts with 'b' and ends in 'ing'. So you are in profit at card counting. Good for you. And tough enough to flatten a room full of security. Well, I have a ten inch whammer and a I don't need to AP for a few grand because gorgeous women queue up to pay me just to gaze upon my wad.Quote: ZenKingI'm such a bad AP guys. Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead?
Oh where was I ... Dreaming again.
You live the dream matey. Just chillax and do your stuff. Just don't whine about it on the bad days.
Quote: WatchMeWinKeep emotions in check. You are all over the place. Win... act like you've been there. Loose... act like you've been there. The first thing I look for when playing poker is the tilted player who can't keep emotions in check. I know you are not playing poker, but the principle of keeping emotions in check will help your game in the long run.
#DISCIPLINE
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Quote: WatchMeWinKeep emotions in check. You are all over the place. Win... act like you've been there. Loose... act like you've been there. The first thing I look for when playing poker is the tilted player who can't keep emotions in check. I know you are not playing poker, but the principle of keeping emotions in check will help your game in the long run.
That's funny, because I never lost discipline while im playing. Cant remember the last time I overbet because i was steaming or chasing losses. How is that even possible? Aren't they supposed to go together? Hmm.
Quote: MaxPenWhat I find amazing is the fact that you have been full time in Vegas for six months and still haven't increased your bankroll or quality of life in any significant way. I doubt many who could help with that would even entertain the thought after this latest B'S.
It's been hard to log hours due to heat and short sessions. I must have spent over 200 hours walking already or driving. Maybe I've been too conservative with half hour sessions. I also took a month and a half off after my first backoff and got back into competitive gaming, which I also do as a hobby and which Im very good at. I've won several money local FIFA tournaments as well already here in Vegas and Reno to the tune of around 5k. Also living expenses has eaten a bit into my bankroll. This is the first time I've lived on my own and it's been an adjustment period. Getting off to a horrendous start in Vegas didn't help the bankroll growth either, but I recovered from that.
It's alright I figured out a new plan of attack to get the hours in.
FYI you are addressing a guy (watchmewin) who claims to beat caps consistently with a hit and run betting system.
Do they serve pecan pie?
Quote: ZenKinGIt's been hard to log hours due to heat and short sessions. I must have spent over 200 hours walking already or driving. Maybe I've been too conservative with half hour sessions. I also took a month and a half off after my first backoff and got back into competitive gaming, which I also do as a hobby and which Im very good at. I've won several money local FIFA tournaments as well already here in Vegas and Reno to the tune of around 5k. Also living expenses has eaten a bit into my bankroll. This is the first time I've lived on my own and it's been an adjustment period. Getting off to a horrendous start in Vegas didn't help the bankroll growth either, but I recovered from that.
It's alright I figured out a new plan of attack to get the hours in.
The way you was talking I assume you have been grinding for years after diligently studying and perfecting your chosen craft. A bankroll is not a betting bankroll if you are dipping into it to pay living costs. A betting bankroll is a different separate bank that allows you to continue betting without pressure, ie don’t use scared money ( rent, car payments etc) as that adds more pressure to a very fragile chosen workplace agreement between you , your lifestyle and the casino ( read workplace)
Hey most of us left the nest at some stage, deal with it, man up lookie more peanuts.
And as hard as you may think you are done by or victimised, from my experience casino love people who have a system, a method , a super count strategy they are not going to ban you for 45k a year ha ha . Big players play that per hand. They (casinos) love you because you will tilt like you are doing now , like all the other PLAYER they get the money back plus interest, and do you know what they monitor sites like this and laugh themselves stupid, 6 month,45k , lives on your own have to pay your way with your bankroll ha ha . I really cannot see the peanuts in my monkey Pooh for all the tears of laughter
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Quote: beachmonkeyThe way you was talking I assume you have been grinding for years after diligently studying and perfecting your chosen craft. A bankroll is not a betting bankroll if you are dipping into it to pay living costs. A betting bankroll is a different separate bank that allows you to continue betting without pressure, ie don’t use scared money ( rent, car payments etc) as that adds more pressure to a very fragile chosen workplace agreement between you , your lifestyle and the casino ( read workplace)
Hey most of us left the nest at some stage, deal with it, man up lookie more peanuts.
And as hard as you may think you are done by or victimised, from my experience casino love people who have a system, a method , a super count strategy they are not going to ban you for 45k a year ha ha . Big players play that per hand. They (casinos) love you because you will tilt like you are doing now , like all the other PLAYER they get the money back plus interest, and do you know what they monitor sites like this and laugh themselves stupid, 6 month,45k , lives on your own have to pay your way with your bankroll ha ha . I really cannot see the peanuts in my monkey Pooh for all the tears of laughter
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Yea they dont care about me even though they backed me off twice already and threatened to trespass me?
You have no blackjack experience so please dont comment about this subject and offer any kind of advice. Casinos shouldnt worry about people betting 2x250 etc but THEY DO worry, so your point they dont care is completely wrong because casinos are idiots and they do panic about a 1.5% edge betting 500 max bet 4% of the time
Quote: ZenKinGYea they dont care about me even though they backed me off twice already? You have no blackjack experience so please dont comment about it. Casinos shouldnt worry about people betting 2x250 etc but they do so your point they dont care is completely wrong because casinos are idiots
Well put they are the idiot, I no longer play bj (as per previous posts )any longer as here in my country they use an automatic shuffle machine after EACH hand dealt . Now prior to that we enjoyed the same play that you have there now. When it changed I could have cried as a profitable income was taken from me and my fellow counters here. I didn’t complain or make excuses , ship happens ,
How long before vegas puts those machines in there as they monitor the practices in rest of world trends re blackjack, what you think they don’t comment between countries between casino? How you play then ? We are the idiot and the casino is the idiot, thank goodness your not. Please enlighten the rest of humanity oh great zenkingie
The idiots release they can make more money from the well informed players that still play bj here by changing the playing field.
Here’s a question re on of the newer threads of late. What do you suppose the idiot casino are putting in new Slots machine in their venues, how long before the video poker machine becomes non existent in your casino? Why get rid of them ?they did here , they make more money from smart people such as yourself on slots.
Your not going to make it son get a real job, you know about cameras don’t you they know when you arrive and I bet they are just itching to get that table fixed against you so they get that large sum of 45k back. Ha the fk ha
Hopefully you qualified for the annual W o vegas Dumbarz award, can’t think of a fitting recipient as your zenkingie self.
Ha tha fark ha
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P.s administration let me know if that’s too much cussing, thanks , I’m an Aussie and we call a ship a ship even if we spell it differently. Here’s a little bit of local swearing information for all that may be interested. The worst thing you can call someone here is a c##t and that plus various prefixes usually lets other Aussie know that person/event or place etc is the absolute worst. And yes we would pee on you if you’re on fire zenkingie because we enjoy the smell of urine on fire thanks for the laughs
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Now you don't have to use silly tools like Google to find all your favorite ZK rants. All the hits would be there... Missing 10s, pre shuffled Chinese / Indian prison cards, refusal to fan 8 decks face up... the list goes on and on. Who wouldn't want a copy?
Laugh if you want, but I swear I have a book from EJ that is fully published on apheat one blog post at a time.
I think zk has made us pro Bono editors / proofreaders.
Quote: MaxPenWhat I find amazing is the fact that you have been full time in Vegas for six months and still haven't increased your bankroll or quality of life in any significant way. I doubt many who could help with that would even entertain the thought after this latest B'S.
So much this.
If I left my life on the east coast to move to Vegas and AP, my very first priority would be to network with people and learn everything I could. Networking is the most powerful tool in ANY business.
I wouldn’t count cards either, as least not exclusively. There’s so many better ways to earn EV that do not get nearly so much heat. Yet ZK has blown off several suggestions to try such a thing.
As soon as you think you are the best in the world and have nothing left to learn, you hit a ceiling as to how much better you can get. Not because actual potential, but because of ego. That’s not to say you can’t be confident when you are good at something, but no one has nothing left to learn. Anyone who thinks that is mediocre at best. That’s not to say you can’t be confident in your abilities, but very few people respond well to the “art holier than thou” attitude. I assume everyone I meet is smarter than me, not because all of them are, but because people will surprise you. Humbleness combined with confidence goes a long way.
Quote: ZenKinGIf I ran a casino, I would triple their current profit like I've said for the longest time. Just a bunch of braindead casino executives.
Interested in answer to question re automatic shuffle after each hand dealt. I mean you do know don’t you? Can’t seem to get an answer from brain dead executives
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Quote: gamerfreakSo much this.
If I left my life on the east coast to move to Vegas and AP, my very first priority would be to network with people and learn everything I could. Networking is the most powerful tool in ANY business.
I wouldn’t count cards either, as least not exclusively. There’s so many better ways to earn EV that do not get nearly so much heat. Yet ZK has blown off several suggestions to try such a thing.
As soon as you think you are the best in the world and have nothing left to learn, you hit a ceiling as to how much better you can get. Not because actual potential, but because of ego. That’s not to say you can’t be confident when you are good at something, but no one has nothing left to learn. Anyone who thinks that is mediocre at best. That’s not to say you can’t be confident in your abilities, but very few people respond well to the “art holier than thou” attitude. I assume everyone I meet is smarter than me, not because all of them are, but because people will surprise you. Humbleness combined with confidence goes a long way.
First of all max pen said 'full time' which I haven't been and of which I forgot to allude to. It's been mostly part time especially once I got backed off and got back into competitive gaming which has been +EV for me over the years with trips all over the world and local tournament prizes etc. I dont know if I will play a lot of gaming this year though. Regarding blackjack, I really need to change my approach in blackjack to get the hours in and I've been thinking of how to do that and I think I found out the plan and I'm going to see how it goes.
Secondly, I never said I knew everything. There are much smarter people than me on these forums that do much bigger EV plays. Im just confident in the particular AP activity that I do. Once again you and others like to put words in my mouth that I never even claimed. Yeah I said im the best counter in the world, but that's exactly that, best 'COUNTER' not best AP. Im also aware being the best 'counter' in the world doesn't mean the most profits. I just like to take pride in what I do, its just how i am. I guess people thought I meant just because I count that I somehow am the best AP, which is nonsense and not how I wanted it to come across.
Babs... You're one of my favorite people on the forum.Quote: beachbumbabs...And clean up your room while you're at it, young man.
Quote: ZenKinGYeah I said im the best counter in the world, but that's exactly that, best 'COUNTER' not best AP. Im also aware being the best 'counter' in the world doesn't mean the most profits.
You are far from being the best counter in the world!!
Quote: IbeatyouracesYou are far from being the best counter in the world!!
I agree the best counter in the world is my kitchen counter, I make coffee there , feed the dog next to it , check my view across the bay.
Honest, no bs solid as a rock counter. True count always.
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Quote: WizardofnothingAnd probably doesn’t claim everything is rigged
You gotta love those that immediately criticize people for saying something is rigged or getting cheated and never question something themselves. You guys can't prove that you're getting a fair game just like I cannot prove Im getting cheated. Also dont give me the you cant prove a negative BS. You never seen whats in there. The point is no one can prove anything and that's the POINT im getting at. Where's the transparency? The dealer never seen whats in there, the pit boss never sees it, at least never in order to see if everything is there, the gaming commission never sees it. No one has seen whats in there other than the factory. Who's to say these rogue casino managers or casino owners dont pay off these factory insiders for a huge mega scam thats been going on for decades? While improbable, I always find it hilarious when everyone just writes it off. Enron anyone? If it can happen, it will happen.
The lack of transparency between casino and customer is atrocious. It honestly says a lot how Im the only one that is angered by it. Seems to be there's a lot of mindless drones walking the streets today. Yes, of all industries let's have full faith in the one industry that lives off separating your hard earned cash from your wallet straight to their bottom line. Everything they say is legit, whatever they say, everyone bow down to what comes out of their mouth. "Yes, all the cards are in there, trust me".
Please note as this forum is my witness that I the Beachmonkey will stop picking the peanuts from my Pooh and eating those retrieved peanuts for ever until I die,( I will also not pick peanuts in my next life either nor will my children nor children’s children pick peanuts from any Pooh )from the day it is proven without a shred of a doubt that it’s a global conspiracy ...now that’s a wager and I think I’m picking peanuts until I depart this mortal coil.
Enron is one company and not all global companies where in league with the lone rogue.
So when someone see that the slots don’t payout and we stop playing slots do you mean we need to smash every player head into the screen because of something you’ve discovered, I say fark them let them pay for the huge electricity bill casino has to pay then I can go there still and do what I need to do. You should be saying yes thanks for the idiots putting all that cash into all those scamming casinos as it allows you to make money, or is it just an avalanche of peanut poop lies catching you out.
Oh peanuts yummy 😋
This is your biggest problem. YES, we can prove the games are legit, the exact same way you can prove they're not. It's called hands, EV, +/- SD, prove that with a large enough sampling size you're -3SD. Use software... run sims. Find out what your EV +/- SD could be... EV - 3SD... If you run a good number of hands and come in under at that amount then you were cheated, and you'll have proof. Mathematical proof.Quote: ZenKinGYou gotta love those that immediately criticize people for saying something is rigged or getting cheated and never question something themselves. You guys can't prove that you're getting a fair game just like I cannot prove Im getting cheated...
You get the cold shoulder treatment when you claim things are rigged and yet you do nothing about it... gather no evidence, produce no numbers, etc. I remember when you were in PA and we ran your numbers without your over estimations and you were about 1.7 SD down. BEYOND COMPLETELY POSSIBLE by fair games.
We used to plug some good hours on vegas trips counting. We were in the red (all around the US) for about 300 hours, but guess what, we played through it. YES there were nights where it just felt like we were cheated. Hell, I'd be lying if we didn't say "sh*t man do you think we just got cheated?" But we RAN THE MATH and everytime we were within 3SD (usually hovering around 2SD on those real bad nights). As the sample size went up, the more and more the math started to right itself.
If you understood the math better, you'd understand why:
A) You're not being cheated
B) Your claims of cheating should be disregarded.
*gollum*
I doubt it. Accept you'll never have the opportunity and air these ideas out to the forum in a new thread.Quote: ZenKinGIf I ran a casino, I would triple their current profit like I've said for the longest time. Just a bunch of braindead casino executives.
Quote: RomesThis is your biggest problem. YES, we can prove the games are legit, the exact same way you can prove they're not. It's called hands, EV, +/- SD, prove that with a large enough sampling size you're -3SD. Use software... run sims. Find out what your EV +/- SD could be... EV - 3SD... If you run a good number of hands and come in under at that amount then you were cheated, and you'll have proof. Mathematical proof.
You get the cold shoulder treatment when you claim things are rigged and yet you do nothing about it... gather no evidence, produce no numbers, etc. I remember when you were in PA and we ran your numbers without your over estimations and you were about 1.7 SD down. BEYOND COMPLETELY POSSIBLE by fair games.
We used to plug some good hours on vegas trips counting. We were in the red (all around the US) for about 300 hours, but guess what, we played through it. YES there were nights where it just felt like we were cheated. Hell, I'd be lying if we didn't say "sh*t man do you think we just got cheated?" But we RAN THE MATH and everytime we were within 3SD (usually hovering around 2SD on those real bad nights). As the sample size went up, the more and more the math started to right itself.
If you understood the math better, you'd understand why:
A) You're not being cheated
B) Your claims of cheating should be disregarded.
My point goes misunderstood once again. Why wait until I'm 3 SD down? Why not be angered RIGHT NOW that there is absolutely no transparency between casino and player on 6-8 deck shoe games? There excuse is that it speeds up the process to get more rounds in per hour. The funny thing about that ridiculous explanation is that when they change the cards, 99% of the tables are EMPTY. What time are they actually saving by bringing in pre shuffled cards from some rogue factory in china. Pit bosses never see what's in there, dealer's never see what's in there. No one sees what's in there.
These auto shufflers also only know the TOTAL amount of cards in there, it doesn't know which cards are missing by denomination, which is a myth going around. You want proof of that? They claim pre shuffled cards save time right? They still have to check the back of the cards for marks etc, so the only way they're saving time is by not checking the front of the cards, but if these auto shufflers know which cards are there by denomination, then why would they need to check the front of the cards?
And the painted ponies go up and down.
Quote: ZenKinGQuote: RomesThis is your biggest problem. YES, we can prove the games are legit, the exact same way you can prove they're not. It's called hands, EV, +/- SD, prove that with a large enough sampling size you're -3SD. Use software... run sims. Find out what your EV +/- SD could be... EV - 3SD... If you run a good number of hands and come in under at that amount then you were cheated, and you'll have proof. Mathematical proof.
You get the cold shoulder treatment when you claim things are rigged and yet you do nothing about it... gather no evidence, produce no numbers, etc. I remember when you were in PA and we ran your numbers without your over estimations and you were about 1.7 SD down. BEYOND COMPLETELY POSSIBLE by fair games.
We used to plug some good hours on vegas trips counting. We were in the red (all around the US) for about 300 hours, but guess what, we played through it. YES there were nights where it just felt like we were cheated. Hell, I'd be lying if we didn't say "sh*t man do you think we just got cheated?" But we RAN THE MATH and everytime we were within 3SD (usually hovering around 2SD on those real bad nights). As the sample size went up, the more and more the math started to right itself.
If you understood the math better, you'd understand why:
A) You're not being cheated
B) Your claims of cheating should be disregarded.
My point goes misunderstood once again. Why wait until I'm 3 SD down? Why not be angered RIGHT NOW that there is absolutely no transparency between casino and player on 6-8 deck shoe games? There excuse is that it speeds up the process to get more rounds in per hour. The funny thing about that ridiculous explanation is that when they change the cards, 99% of the tables are EMPTY. What time are they actually saving by bringing in pre shuffled cards from some rogue factory in china. Pit bosses never see what's in there, dealer's never see what's in there. No one sees what's in there.
These auto shufflers also only know the TOTAL amount of cards in there, it doesn't know which cards are missing by denomination, which is a myth going around. You want proof of that? They claim pre shuffled cards save time right? They still have to check the back of the cards for marks etc, so the only way they're saving time is by not checking the front of the cards, but if these auto shufflers know which cards are there by denomination, then why would they need to check the front of the cards?
THANK goodness I am totally convinced by what you have written THANKS for the sacrifice and due diligence you have rigorously put your selfless self through. I stand corrected and I applaud your infallible detective work and I am ashamed to say I am at a loss for words , as to why this crime against humanity has been allowed to go un noticed, THANK YOU.
YES YOU ARE SO correct why indeed wait for 3 standard deviation before you get angry ? Start at the casino door ANGRY walk through, no run erratically through ANGRY after all you, Nay , WE , are most unequivocally being stolen from, lied to and cheated blatantly to our face. Next thing they , the dead head casino staff will be allowed to ridicule us to our face while we are at the table playing these rigged and crooked games.
But do you know what , because I KNOW NOW what I know after you have correctly informed me ( and other forum members about this scandalous practice the casino and card manufacturers and shuffle machine companies, this GLOBAL CONSPIRACY of deceit ) when I put my wager on that cheating table I will be as angry as I can possibly muster because I know I will only lose this hand and the next hand , hell ever single hand I continue to play until I run out of money because they are all cheating. That is the only reason I am losing, those cheaters are stealing from me .
At the end of each session of play I can be satisfied that I was truly cheated, I will come back tomorrow after I’ve stolen or borrowed more money and lose all that as well.
AND do YOU know what , I am going to keep playing until I die as a very very angry person that knows I am being cheated every single time I step into a casino, iam not going to stop playing, it is my god given right to keep playing, because I am right they are cheating me . It is my mission on this planet to be like yourself, I will spread the word about these cheaters, I will convince anyone and everyone that sits at my table or any table with in ear shot to keep playing, keep playing on these criminally crocked cheating stealing blackjack table. We have all lost because we have been cheated let’s form an angry mob an burn the place down and we will all come back tomorrow and play amongst the rubble get cheated again lose all our money again and burn it some more , hell iam just going to be angry 24/7/365 and I will post about it and post some more then go play blackjack again and again. I just wish Groundhog Day was real.
Thanks for opening my eyes, god bless your little cotton socks, thank you baby Jesus .
Kind thankful regards.
They used to have pretty good burritos and have AYCE lobster buffet on Thurs/Fri, too.
Quote: VenthusFor anybody else, I wouldn't recommend San Manuel if you're trying to AP. The table limits are okay if you're mostly doing greens, but the penetration is bad, they're mostly CSM/shoe, and unless they added more DD in the last month or two, the only table is NMSE and 6:5. I've had my best and worst (in terms of dollars, not units) streaks here though, so take it as you will.
They used to have pretty good burritos and have AYCE lobster buffet on Thurs/Fri, too.
Theres plenty non csm shoe games and they all have surrender. 6 deck h17,das, ls and the pen wasnt bad at all. It is a wongers paradise at first glance and seems it would be hard to pick you off because of the size of the place unless you really bet big and attract attention. Of course I left cause i dont trust indian reservations and never will play there again.
