Millennials can't count to 21

Easy BlackJack

Caesar's is testing a new Easy Blackjack game. It's targeted at players who can't count. Perhaps dumbing down games will help get Millennials in the casino door.

Already a thread here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/29136-easy-jack/

A simplified version of Craps has been developed for people whose attention span is insufficient to survive an entire Pass game. While checking their social websites, Atlantic City Millenials may now play Hops and Props, which provides self-service to all of the one-roll games via a layout resembling the Big Six layout.

Quote: alphastorm

Caesar's is testing a new Easy Blackjack game. It's targeted at players who can't count. Perhaps dumbing down games will help get Millennials in the casino door.

How do you know who it is targeted to? What is with all the bashing on millennials anyway? Or any generation?

Just jumping on the bandwagon because most podcasts bash on millennials.

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How do you know who it is targeted to? What is with all the bashing on millennials anyway? Or any generation?

Thank you Wizard. I'm 23 years old, quite a young buck to be frequenting these forums. I live in Vegas, and the main reason Millennial aren't gambling is quite frankly, we're broke. I was able to build myself a small, low-roller bankroll grinding quarter FPDW. But if it wasn't for some luck, and some positive variance in key situations, I'd still be playing nickel FPDW at the few casinos that offer it. My friends gawk at me when i tell them I lost $600 in one day, and think I'm the luckiest man alive when I hit two $1k royals in a week.

The Millennials I HAVE seen gambling at casinos are quite frankly, idiots. They walk up with a $10 bill to a $3 blackjack shoe, and stand soft 18 against a dealer 10.

All the smart Millennials have no interest in gambling, in my experience. On my 23rd birthday I got two of my friends to stick a $20 bill in a VP machine with me, but I could tell that they really were "ehhhh" about the whole situation.

I believe there are plenty of smart Millennials out there more than capable of AP-ing. They just aren't interested or don't know its actually possible. I've been trying to get some of my smarter friends to come play with me in profitable situations, but it just doesn't tickle their fancy.

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The Millennials I HAVE seen gambling at casinos are quite frankly, idiots. They walk up with a $10 bill to a $3 blackjack shoe, and stand soft 18 against a dealer 10.

Don't judge them too harshly. I would estimate that 95% of players would stand in that situation. I've been cursed out for hitting in that situation too many times to count (speaking of not being able to count high). In fact, I recently did that at a casino in Brussels and another player nearly $#%& his pants.

In my opinion, people are people. Our fundamental motives and fears are the same as they were 1,000 years ago. Yes, you young folks can text fast, but can you operate a sewing machine? There is always some new technology coming along for every one that fades away. I rather dislike the generational labels and frankly don't even know what generation I'm supposed to be in (born in 1965).

Yeah, I suppose that was kind of harsh. You say you're born in 1965? My parents were born in 1971 and 1973 hahaha. You're right on the border of a Generation X-er and a Baby Boomer. It depends who you ask though. I was born in 1994.

Quote: Wizard

In my opinion, people are people. Our fundamental motives and fears are the same as they were 1,000 years ago. Yes, you young folks can text fast, but can you operate a sewing machine? There is always some new technology coming along for every one that fades away. I rather dislike the generational labels and frankly don't even know what generation I'm supposed to be in (born in 1965).

You're generation X.

IMO, the casinos are having the same problems sports is having with millennials. They are more interested in video games. The casinos tried to fix this by making skill-based video machines. It's currently not working because these games need major improvements. Maybe someday they can create a game that is appealing for millennials but it won't be anytime soon.

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You're generation X.

I have no idea what my generation is characterized by. Nor do I really care. I still say they are all more or less the same. Much like astrology or religion, I think it is all a wasted effort at trying to understand a random chaotic world.

I totally struggle with mental math. As embarrassing as it is, even simple addition can have me counting on my fingers. I don't think I'm stupid (I could be stupid), my brain does really well with critical thinking and logic tasks in things like software development, but mental math has always been a struggle.

I thought maybe learning to do computations on an abacus could help, but I worry that it would just make me more reliant on visual indicators.

I think the skill based boat for attracting millennial has already sailed. Over the past 10 years on line gaming has been less about winning and more about addons and building a world. 80% of revenue is achieved thru ad ons and 99 cent features. Latest so called skill based gaming slots are Pac Man and Asteroid. Both were released in 1980. By most definitions a millennial was not even a gleam in his fathers eye at the time. What next Skilled Based PONG ???

Yes, bars did have PONG tables, video screen in middle of a very low end table sized table and 2 low rider chairs. There is a reason they are no video arcades in the malls anymore. Anybody see where 50% of malls will disappear in 5 years.

I feel there are multiple factors the millennials are not gambling

1. The US stunk up the economy for them by the time they graduated college. Instead of promising entry-level jobs to start their 401Ks and start paying their college loans, they ended up in their parents' basement with a part-time minimum wage job.

2. The Greedy education system jacked up the the prices of tuition (to include "cheap" public colleges). Their tuition and student loan is outrageous. No wonder they have no money to gamble.

3. We stunk up the gambling scene for them. Young buck 21 year old ready to gamble, and their first taste o gambling is 6/5 blackjack which almost gives them no chance to win. Crappy slots that are tighter and tighter.

4. Their affinity for drugs like ecstacy lured them to the EDM (electronic dance music) scene. They'd rather spend $20 on a pill, pay $40 to go listen to some brand-name DJ at a club than throwing down $60 bucks at a terrible-rule blackjack game in 10 mins.

5. Their attention-span has shrunk, therefore they have no desire to stand at a craps table and learn the basics of craps. They've given right after seeing the busy craps table.

I think these are some of the reasons why millenials don't gamble as much. When I say this, I mean in general. There are some crazy youngbuck gamblers out there.

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5. Their attention-span has shrunk, therefore they have no desire to stand at a craps table and learn the basics of craps. They've given right after seeing the busy craps table.

It looks like they are smarter than previous generations after all.

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I feel there are multiple factors the millennials are not gambling

1. The US stunk up the economy for them by the time they graduated college. Instead of promising entry-level jobs to start their 401Ks and start paying their college loans, they ended up in their parents' basement with a part-time minimum wage job.

People my age came of age in the mid 1970s. The economy was so bad Nixon imposed price and wage freezes. Ford thought everyone wearing a WIN button would Whip Inflation Now. The country was in a horrible malaise with Vietnam and Nixon resigning.

2. The Greedy education system jacked up the the prices of tuition (to include "cheap" public colleges). Their tuition and student loan is outrageous. No wonder they have no money to gamble. Tuition was rough back then too.

3. We stunk up the gambling scene for them. Young buck 21 year old ready to gamble, and their first taste o gambling is 6/5 blackjack which almost gives them no chance to win. Crappy slots that are tighter and tighter.
My people saw the introduction of the double Zero, multi deck blackjacks, ect, ect. All we heard about was the good old days of single deck dealt to the last card

4. Their affinity for drugs like ecstacy lured them to the EDM (electronic dance music) scene. They'd rather spend $20 on a pill, pay $40 to go listen to some brand-name DJ at a club than throwing down $60 bucks at a terrible-rule blackjack game in 10 mins.
Do you seriously want to compare todays drug use to the Psychedelic Sixties, The Cocaine Cowboy era or the crack epidemic?

5. Their attention-span has shrunk, therefore they have no desire to stand at a craps table and learn the basics of craps. They've given right after seeing the busy craps table.
If we didn't learn it on Captain Kangaroo or Zoom, it wasn't worth learning

I think these are some of the reasons why millenials don't gamble as much. When I say this, I mean in general. There are some crazy youngbuck gamblers out there.

PS- Get off of my lawn. I used to look in the mirror and see Tommy Anderson. Now I see Mr. Wilson. I wonder how many will even understand that reference.

There are a lot of things affecting Millenial habits and interests. A lot of it is money-based, for sure. They're loaded with debt and/or priced out of most housing markets in starter jobs. Their expectations are way high due to over-saturation by advertisers and peer pressure . But there are some things becoming hip that compensate.

Women are wearing a lot of thrift store and second hand clothes. Ripped clothes are fine. New clothes are cheaper than ever. Hairstyles are casual and tousled, not fussy, for the most part. Everyone outside of Wash DC and NYC are wearing very casual clothes, even to work and on dates.

Salvation Army furniture is more in than ever. Reuse, repurpose, generic store brands, all cool.

Tvs and computers cost about 1/10th what they did 20 years ago, and for much better quality products. No such thing as long distance charges any more, and Internet is cheap. Streaming has about put movie theaters out of business, and online shopping has killed most malls; the others died via Walmart.

People don't send cards any more, they send emails. Most kids don't have stamps, a house phone, iron and ironing board, a dozen things I HAD to own when I first set out after college. Such a different world.

Yeah, I'm becoming George Wilson. Get off my lawn.

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Women are wearing a lot of thrift store and second hand clothes.

Now, walk into the club, like, "What up, I got a big cock!"
Nah, I’m just pumped, I bought some sh*t from a thrift shop

Quote: billryan

PS- Get off of my lawn. I used to look in the mirror and see Tommy Anderson. Now I see Mr. Wilson. I wonder how many will even understand that reference.

I do!

It's hard to say where the young generation is going. Older people are working into retirement but the labor force is growing. Mostly what is happening is that the younger generation, given messages by their parents to "follow your dreams" end up going through college to do that and graduate with something that is not useful. That doesn't make the experience useless; quite the contrary. We (as parents) gave these kids that message because we followed in our own parent's dream which was to find a good career, get a pension, and be loyal to a single employer. What ended up actually happening is that those jobs mostly disappeared but we were mostly given the means to fend for ourselves because we could build up skills and change employers readily. Because of that, our messaging to our children changed, and rightfully so.

What makes the younger generation happy is not financial success but personal happiness, whatever that is defined by the person. That means that ya, they're in debt, but they don't feel the need to make alot of money as a status symbol anymore. Because people can find a niche of like-minded people online, people can remain in their bubble and their community without the peer pressure we used to feel as a fellowship of people bound by say a high-school class or university graduate.

This is good news, actually. It creates a variety within society of people who want to advance things on their own sake and not for capitalism. It is required I think because capitalism has run amok. Graduating university with $100k in debt is not sustainable and likely they will happily declare bankruptcy and live (happily) in their parents basement until they can figure things out. And their parents will support that.

and that 100k in student loans will be on the books even after bankruptcy. Plus remember 7 year waiting period between bankruptcies. Now it is 8 years, Slid that past everybody

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Easy BlackJack

Caesar's is testing a new Easy Blackjack game. It's targeted at players who can't count. Perhaps dumbing down games will help get Millennials in the casino door.

Counting in blackjack is not required but doing addition is.

For millennials and gambling... it really comes down to the money (at least in my circles). Everyone loves to gamble, but not many are in the financial position to do so. I don't have a trust fund, but I have a white collar job and am probably in the top 70-80% in terms of parental support, so I'll have a down payment and can gamble (no debt).

Re generations: Happy to have this discussion any time of the week. You guys have gotten 20 trillion in debt AND ALREADY SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY. I'm not even getting into some of the petty things my generation tries to throw around. Property/college costs are based on worldwide changes, you guys didn't have an obligation to keep Asia down with military force.

And lastly, you raised us.

I'm 33. Millennials definitely got dealt a bad hand. With that being said, they're not exactly the greatest generation. That millennials song that made it around facebook a few months ago pretty much sums it up. Yea they're smart, but they don't want to do anything. Grit and determination go a lot farther than book smarts. I could go on and on about the different generations and my opinion but that's for another day.

I started gambling about 2 years ago. I go out by myself 99% of the time. Almost nobody else I know gambles. A few play poker, but not that often. I probably would have started sooner but it never really occurred to me until the Washington DC area started getting casinos about 5 years ago. The first time I walked into a casino, my thought was that this seems pretty boring and depressing. I still sort of feel that way. How anybody gets entertainment out of a slot machine amazes me. When you take a step back and think about it, gambling seems ridiculous. I go out of my way to fill out the survey at the bottom of my receipt so that next time I go to Dunkin Donuts I get a free donut yet have no problem pulling out $200-300 to play a game. Anyways, millennials probably don't want to gamble because again they don't want to do anything. They don't want to try to beat or accomplish anything. I apologize in advance for offending them. On second thought, no I don't.

I don't understand what the age range is for a millenial. People older then me call me a millenial, people younger then me say I'm not. I'm too busy eating avocado toast to care.

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I don't understand what the age range is for a millenial. People older then me call me a millenial, people younger then me say I'm not. I'm too busy eating avocado toast to care.

You should try it with kale and sriracha. At least I think that's what all the young whippersnapper millenials are doing.

The problem is work ethic and money management ability with my generation and not because they got 'dealt a bad hand' by the economy. Every millenial is so loose with their wallet and just wants to party, drink, girls, etc. There's no balance whatsoever. The main problem is how easy it's become to just get a credit card or loan these days. Theyre not worried about spending or getting a new car with money they dont have because all it takes is a 2 second signature. Past generations just simply werent this loose with their money, but also they werent being advertised to death on credit cards and loans every 2 seconds on TV and social media. With that being said, past generations arent perfect either, which ill get into in a bit.

It also doesnt help the horrible advice that is being brainwashed into high school students these days by counselors and colleges saying that if you dont go to college, you are a failure. There is lots of pressure on these kids and misguided advice given to them and parents are also at fault. Yes, the generation ripping millenials are also the same ones not educating their children about the value of money and instilling the values in them at an early age of 'If you dont have money for something, you dont get it'. Of course it's a two way street and these kids need to use their brain as well of knowing how important it is to stay out of debt and in control of your own life and many dont because theyre too busy drinking and partying their way through their 20s and before they know it, they just dug themselves a hole they cant dig out of for the rest of their life. Add in the fact that these same brillaint kids that have no money end up getting their girls pregnant who also are financially in the gutter and what you have now is an absolute disaster going forward. How can they take care of their future kids when they cant even take care of themselves LOL. Thats why in my opinion, generations from here on out are only going to get worse from here.

I knew the value of saving and money managaement. I knew how important it was to never go into debt. I still dont have a credit card and dont care for one. Yea not having credit might be -EV(cashback promos, wanting to buy a house etc.), but the principle is still the same, i never wanted or needed 'help' or a 'loan' from anyone and it's that very principle that has been destroyed. If i didnt have the money for something, i didnt buy it. How many millenials do not have a credit card? Am i the only one? Those principals of not needing a handout have been obliterated with my generation mostly due to the ease of getting money out of thin air these days through lenders, banks, and credit card firms. The end result is accumulated debt.

I also never got a dollar from my parents, i never had an 'allowance' or anything. No, i wasnt some rich kid and got handouts from parents, but of course I do thank them for really teaching me and instilling in me the value of money and letting me stay in their house for so long, but the point is this. I worked a fast food job from end of high school up to sophmore year in college and saved up 20k in cash and eventually bought my car in cash. Not once did i ever think about getting an interest ridden car loan and having to pay someone back. If i wanted something, i better have the money for it. I worked two low paying jobs simultaneously after graduating college while also learning and reading everything about blackjack that I could. Eventually left both jobs and got a $500 week job and kept playing on the side. I even lost 5k on a small cap investment from which i was up 15-25k on average for 3 years but never cashed out. I, of course was a bit naive with the markets since it was in fact my first investment, but im glad i went through that experience.

In conclusion, I eventually built my bankroll high enough to move out to vegas debt free and pursue something i believe in, whether right or wrong and did it through hard work, sweat and tears. This dragged out post ends with the simple conclusion that if millenials dont have money, it's their own fault and not some excuse that the economy 'dealt them a bad hand' as has been previously mentioned in this thread.

Jeeze, you old farts are having these revelations about millenials as if it's not the same exact "damn kid's these days" complaints made by every single aging generation in history.

I'd say you all sound like a broken record, but I'm a dumb millennial who doesn't know what that is.

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I don't understand what the age range is for a millenial. People older then me call me a millenial, people younger then me say I'm not. I'm too busy eating avocado toast to care.

Demographers identify as millennials those who were born (roughly) starting in the early 1980s and ending in the mid-1990s to early 2000s. Millennials follow Generation X (the group no one knew what to call after the Baby-Boomer generation). So, the (approximate) age range for millennials would be from 18 to 30ish.

Generation X is just that . Its the tenth generation of Americans. Somebody decided Roman numerals just sounded better than GenTen.

There are also two distinct groups of millennials. Those of us who grew up with Blockbuster (example, world without internet) and those who got an iPad before junior high. The former were greatly affected by the financial crisis, the latter were not. It's a pretty bad line to draw, but you have to do it somewhere.

By report, the Las Vegas night club scene has been quite successful in regularly attracting thousands and thousands of millenials.

Also by report they spend a helluva lot of money in the clubs.

So then, it is NOT that there are few millenials with extra cash; the success of these clubs disproves that claim.

No, it's just that for them Las Vegas is now a party spot more than a place to gamble.

Quote: MrV

By report, the Las Vegas night club scene has been quite successful in regularly attracting thousands and thousands of millenials.

Also by report they spend a helluva lot of money in the clubs.

So then, it is NOT that there are few millenials with extra cash; the success of these clubs disproves that claim.

No, it's just that for them Las Vegas is now a party spot more than a place to gamble.

I know many who can't really gamble much because it requires cash. However, clubs take credit cards and millenials are credit card rich.

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...No, it's just that for them Las Vegas is now a party spot more than a place to gamble.

For 2 reasons. 1, these idiots get suckered into thinking they'll get to hang around so called "celebrities." And 2, there's no reason to go to Vegas for gambling anymore because there are casinos everywhere now.

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There are also two distinct groups of millennials. Those of us who grew up with Blockbuster (example, world without internet) and those who got an iPad before junior high. The former were greatly affected by the financial crisis, the latter were not. It's a pretty bad line to draw, but you have to do it somewhere.

So the latter are the worthless pukes?

It's all just the typical generation before complaining about/not understanding next generation, always has been always will be.

Pot meet kettle when it comes from the generation that made living above your means and excessive, needless, frivolous consumer debt a completely normal and acceptable thing to do like we had never before seen.

I have a feeling there's a similar percentage of useless folk from each generation, and if there's an increase, guess who raised them and instilled those attitudes and habits?

Mr. Rogers?

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Mr. Rogers?

Who is that? That's the guy that invented KFC right?

No, that was Colonel Mustard.

Quote: billryan

No, that was Colonel Mustard.

I'm still wondering who the drunk fool was thinking that something with the sound of "er" or "ur" should be spelled with a "olo."

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I'm still wondering who the drunk fool was thinking that something with the sound of "er" or "ur" should be spelled with a "olo."

I read it as Collo-Nell every time

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I read it as Collo-Nell every time

If Don S. was alive at the time, I'm sure he'd set the person straight.

Not about millenial but also about millenials. What did not exist 10 years ago and now 98% of millenials probably have a version of it ???

CLUE " "This is only the beginning."
"Apple reinvents the phone." "

Quote: gamerfreak

I read it as Collo-Nell every time

This is the proper pronunciation. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Well, I was born in 1984, so according to Google, I am Generation Y. My mother and father who were born in the 60's are Generation X. Generation Z are the people who were born in the 90's-2000s, and very young people(children under 7) are Generation Alpha. :)

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Generation X is just that . Its the tenth generation of Americans. Somebody decided Roman numerals just sounded better than GenTen.

I don't think so...

Origin of term "Generation X"

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The term acquired its modern definition after the release of Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, a 1991 novel written by Canadian author Douglas Coupland. Demographer Neil Howe noted the delay in naming this demographic cohort saying, "Over 30 years after their birthday, they didn't have a name. I think that's germane." Previously, the cohort had been referred to as Post-Boomers, Baby Busters, New Lost Generation, Latch-key kids, MTV Generation, and the 13th Generation (they were described as the 13th generation since American independence).

And, who is the "somebody" making decisions about whether or not Roman numerals sound better? Source, please.

Quote: billryan

Generation X is just that . Its the tenth generation of Americans. Somebody decided Roman numerals just sounded better than GenTen.

I didn't know that. I previously thought it was the algebraic unknown kind of x, as in Malcolm X, because they were hard to stereotype.

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I don't think so...

Origin of term "Generation X"

Quote: Wikipedia

The term acquired its modern definition after the release of Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, a 1991 novel written by Canadian author Douglas Coupland. Demographer Neil Howe noted the delay in naming this demographic cohort saying, "Over 30 years after their birthday, they didn't have a name. I think that's germane." Previously, the cohort had been referred to as Post-Boomers, Baby Busters, New Lost Generation, Latch-key kids, MTV Generation, and the 13th Generation (they were described as the 13th generation since American independence).

And, who is the "somebody" making decisions about whether or not Roman numerals sound better? Source, please.

The author of the very book you site, or maybe his editors. Read it and you'll see how he struggled to come up with the name and how he decided on the Roman numeral. Generations are roughly 20 years, although they are getting longer. People born after 1776 will have had roughly ten generations of descendants when the Bicentennial occurred. The only generation that had even a semi official title was the baby boomers.
Until Generation X and the Greatest Generation came out in a relatively short time, generations just weren't a thing. Just another thing to divide and label people.
I remember asking my Mother what generation she was. She answered they didn't have generations back then. They couldn't afford them.

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my Mother... answered they didn't have generations back then. They couldn't afford them.

That's pretty funny, but I always thought the "Lost Generation" started this whole thing. Maybe there were named generations before it though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Generation

I don't see a CSM in that picture of easyjack so I assume this is hella easy to card count