fearlessdragon
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June 14th, 2017 at 11:34:56 PM permalink
In my blackjack table, dealer mistakenly paid when he should not. I took the winning, then he realised the mistake and asked me to give it back. I gave it back, but what are the gaming commission rules in this? I live in PA.
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June 14th, 2017 at 11:44:21 PM permalink
My understanding is that you can't be forced to give it back, but the casino can bar you from future play.
That's how it's been explained to me in Jersey and Nevada, but not certain it's correct.
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June 15th, 2017 at 12:18:59 AM permalink
Who explained that to you? On what basis they can bar you? Bar f4om playing any table games? Think a counter should just give it back, to avoid attention. What you guys think and tell your experience in this situation.
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June 15th, 2017 at 12:41:52 AM permalink
Quote: fearlessdragon

In my blackjack table, dealer mistakenly paid when he should not. I took the winning, then he realised the mistake and asked me to give it back. I gave it back, but what are the gaming commission rules in this? I live in PA.



When a dealer makes a mistake in my favor I usually leave the table and go to another Casino. I'll look to play at that dealers table in the future. I've had it work both ways... dealer mistake... check the tape... adjustment made. I don't mind paying back a mistake if they catch it quick enough.
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June 15th, 2017 at 2:31:22 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

My understanding is that you can't be forced to give it back, but the casino can bar you from future play.
That's how it's been explained to me in Jersey and Nevada, but not certain it's correct.



Don't be so sure about that in PA. They have some tough laws in a casino. They have signs in the casinos that there is no such thing as finders keepers and if you pick up any money found on the floor you will be arrested.
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June 15th, 2017 at 2:39:58 AM permalink
I don't know the law in PA. But anywhere this might happen, they're going to have tape of you taking money you didn't win and refusing to give it back. That's at least somewhat analogous to theft. So I would guess they'd be on solid legal ground if they did ban you.

I think that's at least part of why they back up a hand if you don't concede immediately. They want a record that they reproduced the hand, demonstrating their awareness of the mistake, and revealing it to you, not just a quiet correction and move on. JMHO.
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June 15th, 2017 at 4:55:50 AM permalink
You should probably give it back even before being asked to do so.

Good karma...
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:15:28 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You should probably give it back even before being asked to do so.
Good karma...

Good karma?? The casino all but pours liquor down your gullet, provides females not particularly following a Moslem dress code, fosters a festive atmosphere to impair your mental performance but you want to consider 'karma'?

I'd express a bit of surprize, ask for the floor to go thru the discards and then return the money.

Dealers make mistakes in 'their' favor all the time. Only rarely do players get their losses returned.

I've more experience at craps than blackjack (not surprizing for someone with my math skills) but I do appreciate a crew member calling out "Short Stack" when he saw I was being pushed eighty dollars as a buy in stack. And I did appreciate the Venetian guy who endured outright snickers from his fellow crew but stood his ground and held up the game as he proved the overlooked bet for the camera and gave me my winnings for a don't bet he had overlooked.

I generally try to be honest, but not to the point that I polish my halo too vigorously.
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:18:38 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You should probably give it back even before being asked to do so.

Good karma...



Would you also announce the payout mistake if the dealer overpaid another player at the table? (As far as how doing that might affect overall karma at the table, well... we don't even need to go there, do we?)
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:31:49 AM permalink
We get into this kind of discussion every year or two. I keep all mispays, but will quickly give it back if asked every time (tantamount to theft if one refuses imo). The way I see it, they will never inform you that they underpaid you, but will make up for their own mistakes if pointed out. All I ask for is parity.
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