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May 18th, 2017 at 5:35:59 PM permalink
Hello Wizard. I just have a question regarding on a multiple hard hand 16.... What would you do if the dealer has a 7, 8, or 9??? Would you stand on a multiple hard 16 or hit??? Thanks for your time again with your notions.

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May 18th, 2017 at 6:14:16 PM permalink
I assume you mean you're playing more than one spot and got a 16 on all of them. I would hit on all of them.
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May 18th, 2017 at 8:02:39 PM permalink
Actually, what I mean is if you have more two cards that add up to 16 in one or two hands... So basically if you have a 9-4-3=16. Would you hit on the 7,8,9, or Ace against the dealer?
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May 18th, 2017 at 8:16:01 PM permalink
Quote: jfk

Actually, what I mean is if you have more two cards that add up to 16 in one or two hands... So basically if you have a 9-4-3=16. Would you hit on the 7,8,9, or Ace against the dealer?

Generally, you will stand on a 3 card 16. Anytime the count is +1 or more it is best to stand.

Edit: My answer is incorrect. I thought you were asking about a 10 value card for the dealer. I would hit against 7,8 and 9 if I wasn't counting.
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May 18th, 2017 at 8:18:52 PM permalink
Thanks Drich. I thought you were the Wizard....

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May 18th, 2017 at 8:22:28 PM permalink
Quote: jfk

Actually, what I mean is if you have more two cards that add up to 16 in one or two hands... So basically if you have a 9-4-3=16. Would you hit on the 7,8,9, or Ace against the dealer?

Yes. Doesn't matter how many cards form the 16.
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May 18th, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM permalink

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May 18th, 2017 at 8:55:05 PM permalink
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...What would you do if the dealer has a 7, 8, or 9??? Would you stand on a multiple hard 16 or hit???...

When I'm not trying to card-count, I use "basic strategy," which tells us to always hit any hard 16 hand (whether it comprises 2, 3, or more cards) vs 7, 8, 9, or A.
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May 18th, 2017 at 10:12:59 PM permalink
When faced with a multicard 16vs10, I look around the table. If there is a four or a five out there, I stand.
It's a very close play, but I think that single four or five changes the equation. It's a matter of the remaining cards left in the pack.
Bob Dancer calls it the Power of the Pack in VP. I believe it's valid in Blackjack, as well. Call the fours and fives penalty cards if you want. No penalty cards, take a hit. With penalty cards on the board, the chance of you getting a card you need is reduced.
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May 18th, 2017 at 11:58:12 PM permalink
Playing 16 against a 10 is a very close decision, so as has been said it depends on what other cards you know about and how decks are being played. This simplifies to hitting 2-card 16s and standing on 3-card 16s.

Playing 16 against a 9 is not so close, and against dealer's 8 or 7 it becomes even more likely you hit the 16. This simplifies to always hitting 16s vs these cards.

Another method is on the feel (or looking or counting) at how many 5's 4's and small cards are out compared with large cards. This is why there's reference to standing on +1 against a 10. There are similar numbers for 9 8 7 but you reach these increasingly rarer.
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May 19th, 2017 at 1:56:41 AM permalink
Thanks for the heads up on the basic strategy....
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May 19th, 2017 at 2:00:57 AM permalink
Thanks.... I'll look in to the theories on that one....
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May 19th, 2017 at 2:03:04 AM permalink
Very interesting... Thanks for your method on simplifying the numbers.
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May 19th, 2017 at 7:24:58 AM permalink
The "multi-card 16" rule applies only against a dealer 10. Against a 7, 8, 9, or Ace, it's a hit regardless of the hand composition (unless you're counting cards and the index to stand is reached).
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May 19th, 2017 at 7:34:24 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Playing 16 against a 10 is a very close decision, so as has been said it depends on what other cards you know about and how decks are being played. This simplifies to hitting 2-card 16s and standing on 3-card 16s.

Playing 16 against a 9 is not so close, and against dealer's 8 or 7 it becomes even more likely you hit the 16. This simplifies to always hitting 16s vs these cards.

Another method is on the feel (or looking or counting) at how many 5's 4's and small cards are out compared with large cards. This is why there's reference to standing on +1 against a 10. There are similar numbers for 9 8 7 but you reach these increasingly rarer.

Perhaps one can do a computer simulation representing a full table (6-8 players) in a scenario of 4 and/or 5 showing when a hand of 16 is encountered. Is this practical?
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