D Day in Vegas
Quote: BTLWIIf you work downtown in a big city and have to commute 40 mins each way and walk 8 minutes from the parking garage, you don't count that in your hourly rate. Don't do it here.
I dont. All the hours i mentioned are actual casino playing hours. Im just trying to put it in perspective. Its been quite a pathetic last 800 hours or so
Quote: IbeatyouracesMe and three friends just got back from Vegas. I didn't play but they did. I was a scout not only looking for decent opportunities, but to keep an eye on floor personnel for heat. They took over $20,000 from this small weekend adventure ALL from these supposed cheating casinos. Spread was $25 or $50 to 2 x $450.
Shoe games? On the strip? If so, now i feel even worse. I been grinding for the past 800 hours at 2x250 albeit a bit lower than 2x450, but still, and made only 13k, meanwhile your friends come here and make 20k like nothing. Too funny. I love how unfair life is. These guys probably dont even know more than 18 index departures as well. Still waiting for when this cursed luck cancels out. This is sickening. EV is way above 60k, im sitting at 33k total for past 950 hours. Other countwr i know has made over 120k with much less hours and 2x500 but probably on average 2x300. Just amazing. I guess ill be the sacrificed lamb and let the dealer one out me every max bet while other outperform their EV on the daily
Quote: ZenKinGShoe games? On the strip?
All. Yes. The good games...S17, DOA, DAS, LS.
And yes, they could've just as easily run as bad as you have been.
Quote: billryanNow you made 13,000 since coming to Vegas? I thought you were down a couple of billion.
No bill, if you actually have read my posts, you would see where these figures came from. Not blaming you if you didnt since ive been all over the place but the 13k is from the LAST 800 hours dating back to when i was back home. Started up 20k in the first 150 hours and for the past 800 hours including the 90 hrs of losing in vegas i have a profit of 13k.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll. Yes. The good games...S17, DOA, DAS, LS.
And yes, they could've just as easily run as bad as you have been.
So im guessing they played in hi limit. I believe some casinos in hi limit have the cards come in order and are shown face up, dont take me up on that though, might just be one casino that does that because a dealer told me that, which in fact makes it even more suspicious if thats true. They rig the main floor but not hi limit in case a whale bursts out and asks to show the cards while all the low limit suckers get drained alive on main floor.
Ok, enough ribbing. I am happy that perhaps you realize that you are just running into bad luck. Keep going!
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll. Yes. The good games...S17, DOA, DAS, LS.
And yes, they could've just as easily run as bad as you have been.
More importantly, did they tip?
I think a quote from The Rock is applicable here (read this in a Sean Connery voice): "Losers always wine about doing their best... Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen."Quote: ZenKinGShoe games? On the strip? If so, now i feel even worse. I been grinding for the past 800 hours at 2x250 albeit a bit lower than 2x450, but still, and made only 13k, meanwhile your friends come here and make 20k like nothing. Too funny. I love how unfair life is.
What WILL make you feel good? You blame cheating. Then when that gets proven wrong over and over by people winning then you blame bad luck.
I don't doubt you're 'proficient' with Wong Halves, but I've seen something similar once before and it's "amusing" how I'd be willing to bet you go back to hi/low and you suddenly start winning. All goes back to people having hacking debates over pennies per hour and wanting to use level 3 counts and making more mistakes than they realize. KISS... Keep It Simple, Stupid!
(get more hands)
Quote: RomesI think a quote from The Rock is applicable here (read this in a Sean Connery voice): "Losers always wine about doing their best... Winners go home and f*ck the prom queen."
What WILL make you feel good? You blame cheating. Then when that gets proven wrong over and over by people winning then you blame bad luck.
I don't doubt you're 'proficient' with Wong Halves, but I've seen something similar once before and it's "amusing" how I'd be willing to bet you go back to hi/low and you suddenly start winning. All goes back to people having hacking debates over pennies per hour and wanting to use level 3 counts and making more mistakes than they realize. KISS... Keep It Simple, Stupid!
(get more hands)
I understand what youre saying. Also im sure ive given off some type of spoiled crying bitch vibe and blaming everything but me, but lets not now go ahead and say my count is the culprit lol. Its the same argument that others from the other forums also like to claim that gives them crazy returns just because they use a super level count, when we all know thats ridiculous. All counts get the money. Even if i was off by 1 or 2 on the RC consistently which i highly doubt, i would still be like playing perfect hi lo. Id bet my life savings im not off by more than 1 consistently. That test at the pool hall is still eating at me cause i feel i gave off a bad impression even though that test was completely unorganized.
Looks like pendulum has finally swung. Went back to my pure wonging approach that i used in PA and its been a show. King is back. Not even chinese prison preshuffled cards can stop me. Now that's impressive.
That was down to me ZK. I'd invoked my special blessing spell for you as a time limited proof that it would work. Now that I've proved to you that I can do it, you may want to continue your subscription with my service. Let's say $100 per month payable in advance.Quote: ZenKinG-1950 / 102.5 hours.
Looks like pendulum has finally swung. Went back to my pure wonging approach that i used in PA and its been a show. King is back. Not even chinese prison preshuffled cards can stop me. Now that's impressive.
Quote: ZenKinG-1950 / 102.5 hours.
Looks like pendulum has finally swung. Went back to my pure wonging approach that i used in PA and its been a show. King is back. Not even chinese prison preshuffled cards can stop me. Now that's impressive.
Glad to hear it. Just to stick to the formulas that give +EV with a reasonable Kelly and the numbers will come back to you.
Quote: MrVMaybe you got lucky.
When i lose, its cause i suck, but when i win, i just got lucky. Gotcha. Move along sir, theres a new king in town
Quote: ZenKinGWhen i lose, its cause i suck, but when i win, i just got lucky. Gotcha. Move along sir, theres a new king in town
No when you lose it's because the casinos cheated, are mob owned, commit fraud against players, etc. Need I put up all the posts where you spew your nonsense?
Your attitude will be your downfall, not crooked casinos, nor some people on a forum questioning you. Go ahead, prove us wrong.
Quote: ZenKinGWhen i lose, its cause i suck, but when i win, i just got lucky. Gotcha. Move along sir, theres a new king in town
How are you winning now, or did they stop using the Chinese prison decks.Or just maybe there was never any cheating going on in the first place,nah couldn't be that.
You guys can say whatever you want about my conspiracies. At the end of the day, all these casinos ordering pre shuffled chinese cards from halfway across the world has to be the most shady garbage i have ever seen. PA casinos were also using pre shuffled decks such as Parx. I did well at Parx, but thats not the point ive been trying to make this whole time. Ive said recently even before i started winning, that the games are most likely fair since the ASMs are 'supposedly' regulated by the government and those count the cards and 'supposedly' by denomination as well. My biggest beef has always been, why the shady procedures in place? You are not making any extra money by saving 30 seconds on an inspection of the cards. When most casinos change cards, the tables ARE EMPTY. You can save all the time in the world, but if there's no people there ready to play, all you got is a dealer staring into the ceiling waiting. So much for your profit strategy of pre shuffled chinese cards. I already convinced one dealer who initially thought i was crazy about the whole showing the cards thing. He eventually told me, "Wow i never thought about that before, you're actually right, that's really weird how they do come pre shuffled and that we never show them, i never thought about that."
They must've read your post and started cheating you again.
Quote: SkepticIt seems like only yesterday we were being told that the king was back... Oh wait, that was yesterday.
They must've read your post and started cheating you again.
What are you talking about? I havent played since that post.
By the way skeptic, how have my investments that i called on this forum done? All of them shot up. Sometimes you just have to bow to the people who know more than you. Go criticize someone else. In the end all my doubters end up wrong. You and others keep doubting me and ill keep proving everyone wrong.
Quote: ZenKinGSometimes you just have to bow to the people who know more than you. .
Quote: ZenKinG
By the way skeptic, how have my investments that i called on this forum done? All of them shot up. Sometimes you just have to bow to the people who know more than you. Go criticize someone else. In the end all my doubters end up wrong. You and others keep doubting me and ill keep proving everyone wrong.
This one paragraph explains 9 months and hundreds of posts of yapping and puling. We've become your motivational therapy. Yikes.
You come here, say silly things about luck, cheating, whatever non-mathematical conspiracy grabbed your attention this week, and then we're the villains for doubting you. Major eye roll, ZK.
It's variance. It goes up. It goes down. Whether you're talking hands or stocks.
I guess some people find it/you entertaining. And you make a good object lesson, because you're far from the only person who thinks this way. But .... yikes. This kind of arrogance is just a turn-off, considering all the honest help you've been offered here.
Quote: ZenKinGWhat are you talking about? I havent played since that post.
By the way skeptic, how have my investments that i called on this forum done? All of them shot up. Sometimes you just have to bow to the people who know more than you. Go criticize someone else. In the end all my doubters end up wrong. You and others keep doubting me and ill keep proving everyone wrong.
You have these amazing investment ideas that are full proof and yet you made absolutely no money on them!?! Don't give me this garbage about trusting online wallets, I have friends who buy and sell cryptocurrencies all the time and they have never had any issues. You are all talk, plain and simple!
You blame cheating and conspiracies when you lose and you are just the most amazing counter/all around amazing at everything person in the world when you win because those damn cheaters can't stop the amazing ZK, the most amazing counter ever! Don't forget that G-d is out to get you too. G-d wouldn't want poor ZK to have anything easy come to him, no let's flip that curse switch so he has to work harder than those less important and dumber ants to make any money. Lmao you are ridiculous.
I keep coming back for this thread because of all the replies from various members. Not for ZK for sure.Quote: PokerGrinderYou have these amazing investment ideas that are full proof and yet you made absolutely no money on them!?! Don't give me this garbage about trusting online wallets, I have friends who buy and sell cryptocurrencies all the time and they have never had any issues. You are all talk, plain and simple!
You blame cheating and conspiracies when you lose and you are just the most amazing counter/all around amazing at everything person in the world when you win because those damn cheaters can't stop the amazing ZK, the most amazing counter ever! Don't forget that G-d is out to get you too. G-d wouldn't want poor ZK to have anything easy come to him, no let's flip that curse switch so he has to work harder than those less important and dumber ants to make any money. Lmao you are ridiculous.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis one paragraph explains 9 months and hundreds of posts of yapping and puling. We've become your motivational therapy. Yikes.
You come here, say silly things about luck, cheating, whatever non-mathematical conspiracy grabbed your attention this week, and then we're the villains for doubting you. Major eye roll, ZK.
It's variance. It goes up. It goes down. Whether you're talking hands or stocks.
I guess some people find it/you entertaining. And you make a good object lesson, because you're far from the only person who thinks this way. But .... yikes. This kind of arrogance is just a turn-off, considering all the honest help you've been offered here.
Suggest you go back from page 1 and see what exactly transpired. People jumped on me first like always. All i did was state what i was going to do and asked for advice. Once people went the criticizing and sarcastic route, the war began. Is what it is, but funny how I become the bad guy in all of this while everyone else gets a free pass. Doesnt bother me one bit. Just goes to show how easily people are swayed in society and jump on the bandwagon to attack someone else.
Quote: ZenKinG. Once people went the criticizing and sarcastic route, the war began. Is what it is, but funny how I become the bad guy in all of this while everyone else gets a free pass. Doesnt bother me one bit.
Yet, you feel it necessary to keep defending yourself. Makes no sense.
Quote: DRichYet, you feel it necessary to keep defending yourself. Makes no sense.
Bothers me, but doesnt bother me enough to bother me. Capiche?
Quote: ZenKinGBothers me, but doesnt bother me enough to bother me. Capiche?
Sorry dude, but your attempt to seem "zen-like" there does not compute.
I suggest you wall yourself up in a cave and meditate until you can describe the sound of one hand.
Only then might you in fact justify calling yourself "ZenKing."
First and foremost: Glad to hear things are turning out a bit more as expected.
Next, so all you did was get more hands and things started to self-correct themselves? Man, seems like the entire worry about cards/etc was all just a complete waste of time and blood pressure. If only you just simply stayed calm and continued to plug away hours and hands =).
Finally, if you really hate a property, don't play there. There's tons of options in Vegas (quantity vs quality). Avoid high limit rooms (I feel like this should be stated again) and lastly but certainly not the least... GET MORE HANDS =D.
I can understand all the frustration. Hope from now on, math favors you for most of the times.
Quote: billryanFirst time I ever heard a pillow fight called a war.
Quote: AxelWolf
Arrrrghhhh!
When you guys embed video, I cannot see it. Add a direct link as well please.
Quote: ontariodealerzenking......I've worked in casino's for 43 years and you're either wrong or stupid or paranoid.
Can I go with D) All of the above?
Quote: ontariodealerzenking......I've worked in casino's for 43 years and you're either wrong or stupid or paranoid.
Anything else you want to throw my way? Keep em coming. People's opinions towards me are irrelevant.
Quote: boymimboOh, come on Ontariodealer how would you know? You don't work in Vegas for Caesars!!! ;)
lots of casino's followed suit....cheap preshuffled decks mean less down time so more hands dealt per hour, thus profits go up....dealers happier because toke rate goes up. Casino's don't have to cheat, they just have to open the doors everyday.
Quote: billryanWas in a store today, and this guy pulled money out of his sock. The cashiers face was priceless.
Where else would you carry money?
+175 / 104 hrs
Rumor has it, japanese cards have been in circulation for the past 2 weeks after Gaming cracked down on them. Thanks to this thread.
Quote: ZenKinGBOOM. Just like that im FINALLY in the GREEN
+175 / 104 hrs
Rumor has it, japanese cards have been in circulation for the past 2 weeks after Gaming cracked down on them. Thanks to this thread.
Thanks for saving us all. Now can you do something about healthcare?
Quote: djatcWhere else would you carry money?
In your diaper. Cops won't search there.
Quote: ZenKinGBOOM. Just like that im FINALLY in the GREEN
+175 / 104 hrs
Rumor has it, japanese cards have been in circulation for the past 2 weeks after Gaming cracked down on them. Thanks to this thread.
Ya should'a let us know earlier, I would have sold all my stock in the RCPD Corporation (Rigged Chinese Prison Decks Corp.).
Quote: ZenKinGBOOM. Just like that im FINALLY in the GREEN
+175 / 104 hrs
Rumor has it, japanese cards have been in circulation for the past 2 weeks after Gaming cracked down on them. Thanks to this thread.
sounds rigged
