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LVJackal
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March 21st, 2018 at 3:42:47 AM permalink
I believe this post exceeds my yearly cap on posts, and my rebuttal is purely conjecture with no basis in experience etc.

This argument sounds eerily similar to the one used against the legality of the IRS. Quoted from google half arsed search "Filing a federal income tax return is, in fact, voluntary, because there is no statute or regulation that requires the vast majority of U.S. citizens to file and pay income taxes -- or to have taxes withheld from the money they earn. Neither the IRS nor the Congress can cite an authorizing law or regulation".

When push comes to shove, what do you realistically think will happen? Citing this lack of legality earns (I believe) a $600 fine from the IRS. How many laws could not pass the vagueness doctrine? Either in US or UK (common) Law?

While your argument maybe valid (in theory), in actuality what do you give your success rate vs. funds invested fighting it?
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March 21st, 2018 at 4:48:07 AM permalink
I think there is more money in staged auto accidents and store slip and falls.
PokerGrinder
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March 21st, 2018 at 4:54:35 AM permalink
I take one nap, and I come back to ZK vs all of the Nevada judicial system and its laws? Dude go count cards for goodness sakes.
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SOOPOO
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March 21st, 2018 at 5:12:34 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Because it's all a BLUFF.
Nice try. Keep it coming. Ill finish what Ken Uston started.



I'm saying YOU are the one bluffing. Go back to Paris. Announce that you have been trespassed twice before. Say you want to play some BJ. Tell us what happens.
Boz
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March 21st, 2018 at 7:14:53 AM permalink
Ok math guys, can anyone calculate how much potential winnings ZK loses each day by posting this drivel instead of actually playing?

In the words of a waiter many years ago at one of Chicago’s finest restaurants to a young man who just wanted a Day off...”I weep for the future”.
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March 21st, 2018 at 7:21:33 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Ok math guys, can anyone calculate how much potential winnings ZK loses each day by posting this drivel instead of actually playing?

In the words of a waiter many years ago at one of Chicago’s finest restaurants to a young man who just wanted a Day off...”I weep for the future”.



I can't weigh in there, but I did think the way you kept score in blackjack was with chips.

If the casino used a floor of staff attorneys to errode ZKs stack with court dates and challenges, wouldn't that lead to the same end result as beating him at blackjack?
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March 21st, 2018 at 7:49:02 AM permalink
There's "jail house lawyers," now I suppose there's "cantankerous card counting lawyers."

Watching this guy blunder through case law and statutes is what I imagine it would look like if Pa Kettle took up brain surgery out of the blue.

In this case, that old truism would apply: "Physician, heal thyself."

ahem

Quote: ZenKinG

any judge that doesnt follow the Constitution can be held for treason and sent to prison regardless of what they think about it. They also are not allowed to 'interpret' any part of the Constitution because all of the interpretations were already done by our founding fathers in the Federalist Papers and Madisons Notes.




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boymimbo
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March 21st, 2018 at 11:20:54 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm saying YOU are the one bluffing. Go back to Paris. Announce that you have been trespassed twice before. Say you want to play some BJ. Tell us what happens.



Agreed. Please return to Paris LV and tell us what happens. You can laugh all of you want.

Fact is:
- Any casino can bar you from its premises from no reason (make you leave). Any interaction with security personell will be written up for backup purposes.
- At some point, if you refuse to leave, they will detain you (backroom), call Metro, and charge you with trespassing, and you will leave the premise, either escorted by Metro, or taken to jail until you see the judge the following morning. Now, of course, casinos would just prefer to have you leave. It's much less work for them.
- Legal pockets of CZR/MGM/Sands/Wynn are extremely deep.
- You can self-defend all you want. You may win or you may lose. Given case law, you will likely lose. And if you win, it will be due to a technicality, not because you are right. If you win, you won't be able to simply hold your legal decision up high, walk into the Paris and start declaring what the true count is on the shoe-based game that you are playing.

In short, you are not above the law. And it is very unlikely that you will be able to change the law.
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RogerKint
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March 21st, 2018 at 11:39:33 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Agreed. Please return to Paris LV and tell us what happens. You can laugh all of you want.

Fact is:
- Any casino can bar you from its premises from no reason (make you leave). Any interaction with security personell will be written up for backup purposes.
- At some point, if you refuse to leave, they will detain you (backroom), call Metro, and charge you with trespassing, and you will leave the premise, either escorted by Metro, or taken to jail until you see the judge the following morning. Now, of course, casinos would just prefer to have you leave. It's much less work for them.
- Legal pockets of CZR/MGM/Sands/Wynn are extremely deep.
- You can self-defend all you want. You may win or you may lose. Given case law, you will likely lose. And if you win, it will be due to a technicality, not because you are right. If you win, you won't be able to simply hold your legal decision up high, walk into the Paris and start declaring what the true count is on the shoe-based game that you are playing.

In short, you are not above the law. And it is very unlikely that you will be able to change the law.



ZK never said that they can't make him leave. He said they can't legally detain him for coming back since he was never justly trespassed, in his opinion. There's a difference between being backed off for AP and being trespassed for AP. I'm NOT defending his position, just attempting to clarify.
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boymimbo
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March 21st, 2018 at 11:48:24 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

ZK never said that they can't make him leave. He said they can't legally detain him for coming back since he was never justly trespassed, in his opinion. There's a difference between being backed off for AP and being trespassed for AP. I'm NOT defending his position, just attempting to clarify.



Casinos over their history have seen everything, and they've seen people like ZK and all iterations thereof. To them ZK is just another flea. Now, he might be a little more difficult to catch and may buzz around a bit more and make a bit more noise, but ZK is not special or even particularly interesting to them.

The fact that he thinks that he is unique and special, or believes that his point of views and knowledge are better than our collective experiences (not my own) is troubling. Delusional.
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