D Day in Vegas

Quote: Boz

Because they build casinos to give money away, right? Some have found ways to beat them in spite of the built in house edge, but they are smarter than you and open to finding multiple ways. All while knowing the casinos don't need to cheat. And they certainly don't have the negative attitude you do. You have found a way to get members rooting for the casinos to beat you. And as long as I have been on here, that puts you in rare territory along with a few guys, most of whom are long gone. Stop bitching and go out and refine your game. Or don't, keep bitching and losing.

That's fine, i hope everyone is rooting against me, im used to it and will just prove everyone wrong anyway with your support or without your support. It's been like that my whole life. Parents never supported me in my hobbies/interests or my friends. One day people will realize they should've never doubted me.

Quote: ZenKinG

That's fine, i hope everyone is rooting against me, im used to it and will just prove everyone wrong anyway with your support or without your support. It's been like that my whole life. Parents never supported me in my hobbies/interests or my friends. One day people will realize they should've never doubted me.

How do you plan on doing this? Not an hour ago you were finished and going to go find a job. That's about the fifth time you posted you were finished playing in this god forsaken corrupt town.
BTW, just a wild guess here but have you started a list of those who have offended, slighted, or pissed you off. ?

Quote: ZenKinG

That's fine, i hope everyone is rooting against me, im used to it and will just prove everyone wrong anyway with your support or without your support. It's been like that my whole life. Parents never supported me in my hobbies/interests or my friends. One day people will realize they should've never doubted me.

Maybe you should see a therapist, it sounds like you have issues.

Quote: Hunterhill

Maybe you should see a therapist, it sounds like you have issues.

+1. And be quick before it is too late.

We already know that "proving us wrong" just means you'll claim you were cheated with zero evidence after you've lost all your money, even though many have told you how to provide that evidence and even suggested you stop giving your money to the bad man who's cheating you. But hey, you showed us!!!

There is an epidemic of narcissism in this country.

Quote: ZenKinG

That's fine, i hope everyone is rooting against me, im used to it and will just prove everyone wrong anyway with your support or without your support. It's been like that my whole life. Parents never supported me in my hobbies/interests or my friends. One day people will realize they should've never doubted me.

Were you a contestant on American Idol by any chance?

It bothers me to no end that people don't take personal responsibility for bad luck. On other other hand, ZK has displayed some paranoid behavior and exhibits beliefs about others and himself that aren't true and probably can't reason that what he is thinking (casinos are cheating) is not true despite the empirical evidence otherwise.

There are many dealers and former casino workers on this site who are not wading into this discussion. I think it's because they've heard this so many times before.

You will find many friends at craps table, where the most paranoid hang out. Learn that game, and then start telling us how the dice are loaded and how you made a bundle playing the don'ts.

The last 4 shoes I have played I have dropped 7500. I'm now down again 8500 just like that. On the other hand everytime i play on CVBJ, NOT ONCE does this ever happen and ive probably played more rounds on CVBJ than in real life. Speaking of software I played it last night and made 6k on it after about 1000 rounds. But once i go out in this corrupt unregulated city i get my ass handed to me.

Tomorrow something is going down. I'm done with this corrupt city. Filing major complaints with the commission, if nothing is done, I will then take it into my own hands. Partys over. Well see who's laughing end of tomorrow

Quote: ZenKinG

The last 4 shoes I have played I have dropped 7500. I'm now down again 8500 just like that. On the other hand everytime i play on CVBJ, NOT ONCE does this ever happen and ive probably played more rounds on CVBJ than in real life. Speaking of software I played it last night and made 6k on it after about 1000 rounds. But once i go out in this corrupt unregulated city i get my ass handed to me.

Tomorrow something is going down. I'm done with this corrupt city. Filing major complaints with the commission, if nothing is done, I will then take it into my own hands. Partys over. Well see who's laughing end of tomorrow

Zk really needs to see a doctor quick
And I hope he will leave town asap for the sake of other players and AP.
Total bad news and complete disaster.

Quote: ZenKinG

The last 4 shoes I have played I have dropped 7500. I'm now down again 8500 just like that. On the other hand everytime i play on CVBJ, NOT ONCE does this ever happen and ive probably played more rounds on CVBJ than in real life. Speaking of software I played it last night and made 6k on it after about 1000 rounds. But once i go out in this corrupt unregulated city i get my ass handed to me.

Tomorrow something is going down. I'm done with this corrupt city. Filing major complaints with the commission, if nothing is done, I will then take it into my own hands. Partys over. Well see who's laughing end of tomorrow

So I take it you got to a table today when it opened to see their procedure?

Quote: ZenKinG

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Tomorrow something is going down. I'm done with this corrupt city. Filing major complaints with the commission, if nothing is done, I will then take it into my own hands. Partys over. Well see who's laughing end of tomorrow

LOL, this is getting better by the day. BTW, it could take the Gaming Commission months to do an investigation.

I was worried about ZK but after reading his last post I see we have nothing to worry about and I'm happy that things seem to be going as planned! Keep up the good work!!

Didn't we have a discussion here before about banning members for their own good if they seem to have a gambling problem? What ZK posted shows he is not stable and taking it into his own hands and seeing who's laughing is not normal behavior and easily could be seen as a threat to casino personnel. No reason to provide him a forum to put it out there, Even if he is just blowing off steam. This guy needs help and since it already has been offered here, what is the benefit of keeping him around other than the enjoyment of watching him fail?

I haven't been rooting against him at all, and in fact trying to give him advice. One thing no one's noticing is he says he lost $7500 to be down $8500 again. I think in his last post (too lazy to confirm) he was down like $5500. So that means he MADE $4500, then lost $7500. Again, your losses will generally be larger than your wins because you duck out after exposing a max bet where as if you're losing and think you can get away with another shoe because you look like a mad degen then sometimes you'll play more/etc/etc.

It honestly sounds like natural swings at your betting level, but I'm not there and not watching the hands/etc.

Quote: Romes

I haven't been rooting against him at all, and in fact trying to give him advice. One thing no one's noticing is he says he lost $7500 to be down $8500 again. I think in his last post (too lazy to confirm) he was down like $5500. So that means he MADE $4500, then lost $7500. Again, your losses will generally be larger than your wins because you duck out after exposing a max bet where as if you're losing and think you can get away with another shoe because you look like a mad degen then sometimes you'll play more/etc/etc.

It honestly sounds like natural swings at your betting level, but I'm not there and not watching the hands/etc.

No. Ok to clear things up, here has been the last week or so of bankroll fluctuations.

Originally i was down -7500 and cut it down to -2300. Then i went down to -8500, then i made +7800 to cut my trip total to date to -700. Then i lost -600 and then in 4 shoes lost -7200 and am now down again -8500. It's unbelievable.. These are of course rounded figures. Give or take 50 bucks. I have the exact amount written down but for forums sake i round the numbers. If i just knew for sure these casinos weren't rigged i wouldnt give a f** about losing because ive been through this before, but what gets me is that ALL the casinos i struggle at 'coincidentally' come with pre shuffled cards and DONT show the cards. ARIA one of my best casinos im doing at, 'coincidentally' SHOWS the cards and they come in ORDER so it's easy to see they're all there. This is what angers me even more. Why cant all casinos just do it the right way and show some damn integrity instead of getting these bulls*** pre shuffled cards and throwing them into some rigged machine(wont even get into the conspiracies involving machines either). Just do what ARIA does, buy the cards in order and spread them face up on the table. Jesus holy hell. If it's a profit strategy, management needs to be fired because that's absolutely not a profitable strategy. Then again what do i know right? Just some guy grinding out a 1.5% edge. But the truth is, if i was head manager at any of these casinos, id triple their annual profit in a heartbeat.

Call MGM, call Steve and Sheldon, all they need to do is hire ZK and they will triple their profits. Since the cheating they are doing isn't cutting it and guys with MBA's have no clue, it's ZenKing to the rescue! Tripling profits in a single bound!

Oh I can't wait to see what happens! A mid-level card counter (and yes, the strip casinos at $250/hand is mid level. they have gamblers betting $10k+/hand in the high-rollers room) telling the casino that the cards are fixed with no proof except a losing bankroll! I can't wait to see how gaming responds. As if they haven't heard this before.

Plenty of solutions were offered. None were taken. There are strip casinos he found that show the decks. There are ways to count the cards in the casino to determine whether it's stacked that I offered. Crickets.

ZK, the young buck. Not enough ability for introspection to understand that his play at the casino might be different than the play at home.

Frankly, if I was in my mid-20s with a car, a college degree, and 50k in the bang, looking back, I would be going after more earthly pleasures, because when one settles down with one person, begins a family, and gets the responsibilities of real life with other people depending on you every day to bring home the bacon, provide love and care, you will likely regret your life trying to make $40/hour with a wild variance getting burnt out playing cards in Vegas when you could be having real fun.

Quote: ZenKinG

No. Ok to clear things up, here has been the last week or so of bankroll fluctuations.

Originally i was down -7500 and cut it down to -2300. Then i went down to -8500, then i made +7800 to cut my trip total to date to -700. Then i lost -600 and then in 4 shoes lost -7200 and am now down again -8500. It's unbelievable.. These are of course rounded figures. Give or take 50 bucks.

I could be wrong, but I don't think we got all of your winnings, but you were sure to tell us all of your losses?

Quote: ZenKinG

If i just knew for sure these casinos weren't rigged i wouldnt give a f** about losing because ive been through this before,

That's what we continue to tell you, but it shows you clearly don't trust us very much (not saying you should necessarily) but there are several on here that have told you this with good reputations. That's why not only did I tell you that but my advice has constantly been GET MORE HANDS because the math will prove it to you once you hit enough hands.

Quote: ZenKinG

but what gets me is that ALL the casinos i struggle at 'coincidentally' come with pre shuffled cards and DONT show the cards. ARIA one of my best casinos im doing at, 'coincidentally' SHOWS the cards and they come in ORDER so it's easy to see they're all there. This is what angers me even more.

You're also running in to confirmation bias and law of large numbers here. One, even if a place did cheat you would still win there occasionally. Two, you WANT to believe aria is pure becuase you can see the cards, so if you have a good run of luck with them then your confirmation bias will say "It's because they show the cards!" and not because of the real reason of "welp, that's just some good variance to go along with the bad." Even if aria is "pure" in your mind, you would STILL lose there PLENTY of the time. So if you're consistently winning there, is aria cheating FOR you then??? That's the exact claim you're making in the other direction with these other casinos. Do you see now why that other claim is silly as it would be just as silly to claim aria is cheating for you?

Quote: ZenKinG

If it's a profit strategy, management needs to be fired because that's absolutely not a profitable strategy. Then again what do i know right? Just some guy grinding out a 1.5% edge. But the truth is, if i was head manager at any of these casinos, id triple their annual profit in a heartbeat.

Any good AP could make the casinos a lot more money, which is why some are tempted with jobs to switch to "the dark side" and ruin it for all the rest of us. You can make more money and stick it to the greedy corporations from our side.

When you went from -7500 down to -2300 down did they just take a break from cheating?

Why are still giving your money to the bad men cheating you?

Quote: ZenKinG

But the truth is, if i was head manager at any of these casinos, id triple their annual profit in a heartbeat.

Actually, no. The casino would lose almost every single one of their biggest players. They like to play on credit.

This simply doesn't pass the smell test.
Nor is it funny any longer.

Good news ZK! I just got back from Vegas and can confirm TI spreads ALL 6 decks before opening a table. I was kinda sweating the corruption but when I saw that(edit: dealer spreading new decks) a wave of relief came over me and I was able to run up a $600 win putting me up $1800 for the trip on BJ. Of course I only played and the unverified not corrupt Linq, Golden Gate, and the verified not corrupt TI and I wasn't counting so ymmv!

I did dump a boatload at VP and Craps so no doubt they took that into consideration when playing BJ. Be careful out there!!

Quote: dfwbird

Good news ZK! I just got back from Vegas and can confirm TI spreads ALL 6 decks before opening a table. I was kinda sweating the corruption but when I saw that(edit: dealer spreading new decks) a wave of relief came over me and I was able to run up a $600 win putting me up $1800 for the trip on BJ. Of course I only played and the unverified not corrupt Linq, Golden Gate, and the verified not corrupt TI and I wasn't counting so ymmv!

I did dump a boatload at VP and Craps so no doubt they took that into consideration when playing BJ. Be careful out there!!

No coincidence you won at a place that spreads the cards face up. I havent even gone into TI yet since there are no good games in there according to the last edition of CBJN unless you're a black chip player in high limit. Dont tell me you were playing a csm or 6:5.

Let me know when you win at Caesars, Harrahs, Ballys, Flamingo, Cosmo, NYNY, and MGM, then get back to me. Youll be in tears once theyre done with you with their rigged pre shuffled stacked deck that's then inserted into their rigged ASMs.

Edit : wow just realized you said you don't even count. Makes me feel even better, I've been playing at an advantage for over 50 hours and you just go in there probably playing a 6:5 csm game and already in the positive 4 figures meanwhile I'm nearly at a 5 figure loss. Oh wait that's right I'm not playing at an advantage. It's rigged. The truth is coming out soon, don't you worry.

Those rigged ASM's have no clue what decisions the players will make nor where they place the cut card.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Those rigged ASM's have no clue what decisions the players will make nor where they place the cut card.

Won't go into this. But those things you mentioned don't change anything.

Quote: ZenKinG

Won't go into this. But those things you mentioned don't change anything.

A stacked deck is easily exploited. And for far more EV than card counting. I'm not going to get into specifics.

Quote: ZenKinG

No coincidence you won at a place that spreads the cards face up...

You do realize at a 100% legit game you're going to LOSE about 50% of the time, right? Spreading the cards face up and having a winning session is literally a worthless correlation.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

A stacked deck is easily exploited. And for far more EV than card counting. I'm not going to get into specifics.

This 100%... They can't predict the number of players, when players go in and out of hands, where the cut goes (dealer could try to false cut but look at all the other things I've mentioned) nor how players will hit/stand on their hands (such as 16, soft hands like A-7, etc, etc). Not only would a preset deck (intended to make the house more money somehow) NOT work to cheat the players, but it would be a TREMENDOUS security risk because AP's would absolutely figure it out and then get a massive edge knowing what cards are coming. Look up Next Carding as it relates to AP/Blackjack.

If a deck was somehow preset to cheat players, wouldn't that only last for the first time the cards were dealt? Do they magically revert to the preset order every time they are installed into the ASM?
More importantly, are the ASMs made in China?

ZK... it's not too late... you could still get out of this trap. I know your almost 30 and it's borderline but once you wake up and your 40... well... it's over! It was a good run though... you could of been born earlier and had to go to war in Germany or Vietnam so I guess your winning.

Some say there is a war going on right now. Selfishness versus selfless. Selfishness is winning. If someone would say; "Ask not what your country can do for you......" you might conclude those are the words of a conservative Republican.

This entire thread, masquerading as a BJ thread, is about selfishness.

I'd say IF ASMs are ordering or shuffling cards in a way to cheat, it would not be in an ordering fashion, like player 1 gets A,6, player 2 gets 8,7....etc. It would be in a way where certain cards are grouped or clumped with others. For instance, you could just have clumps of aces in one segment which isn't close to clumps of 10's. Sure, some aces will be near tens and players will still get blackjacks, but not nearly as frequently as it would be in a randomly shuffled shoe. I don't know what other combinations of cards near each other or far from each other would benefit the casino, but aces and tens is an immediate and obvious one.

I'm NOT saying ASMs clump cards or do any sorta funny business. I'm just saying that the discussion doesn't simply end at, "Well the machine doesn't know how many players there are, their strategies, nor where the cut card is.".....or rather, that's at least a pretty lame counter to the accusation that ASMs cheat. (I'm not sure if that accusation was made, but if it was made....)



The heart of the cheating thing though -- decks or shoes with fewer high cards or extra low cards....still, this would NOT warrant big losses over such a short sample size. Losses certainly happen, big ones at that. I've gone through periods where all I could do is lose. Even if I was up $4k in the first few hands I'd end the shoe at -$3k. Then I've also had periods where I just simply couldn't lose a session or would lose few sessions.

This has yet to be answered. If the (supposed) cheating is cause for those losses, those decks have to be SUPER GAFFED. Not like 2 or 3 high cards in a 6 deck shoe....but like 20 would have to be removed. In this case, it should be immediately obvious the shoes are messed up. Call up gaming and you're the town's hero.

IF the casino was cheating in this way, I'd imagine they'd remove A FEW high cards. They wouldn't risk adding an extra low card, as they'd be f***ed if someone tracked 7 of the same card on a 6 decker. Removing MANY high cards would be obvious (see above paragraph). On top of that, this being the most likely situation where they cheat by gaffing the decks, your results would not be indicative of such cheating!!! Your EV would go from (I'm making up numbers here) say $50/hour to $20/hour or maybe -$50/hour. But your SD would still be the same (actually SD would change, but it'd be damn near the same). EV of +$50/hour vs -$50/hour is basically just noise in the short term. The only thing you see in the short term is the SD. So even if the games were gaffed by a little bit, it wouldn't be enough to change your EV from +$50/hour to -$200/hour.

It's like losing $500 on VP when you should be up $500 for a session. It's just noise and variance. Get over it.

Just when I thought this cheating story couldn't get any worse or shall I say funnier, you shouldve heard what a dealer at Paris told me tonight. I'm still laughing as I type this.

So I go to the dealer, so what do you guys so with the old cards, do you guys send the used cards to the gift shop or something? He goes "yes we do". I was like how long does it take to get there? He says the cards dont go there right away, they go to a PRISON where they then sort the cards first, then send it back LOOL. Oh man I can't even keep a straight face anymore.

So let's me get this straight to just sum this up. These casinos are ordering preshuffled cards from some china shop halfway across the world. Dealers and pit bosses don't check them nor do they spread them face up. Gaming commission doesn't check them. These cards go through the whole day without anyone seeing the cards. AND now, after the days over and it's time to change the cards, they don't even get sent to GAMING or directly to the gift shop for resale. They go to a PRISON to sort them out and 'clean it up' give it a finishing touch I was told LOLOL.

I just can't anymore. This is almost worth my current -8300 loss just hearing the procedures in this town. I'm done, truly am LOL. Just when i thought, ok, let me go and buy the cards at the gift shop, then I'm told they don't go directly there, they go to a PRISON LOL. Yeah let's send it to the PRISON so they can insert the missing 10s and Aces, then send it to the gift shop for purchase. Now everyone can see with their own eyes that casinos don't remove cards LOL. I can't even keep a straight face anymore in this town talking to these dealers and pit bosses. This is hilarious

Calling gaming this morning for some more comfirmation.

The absurdity continues....

So now the top management at the casinos have brought convicted felons into their top secret conspiracy, because if you need someone to keep your secrets, random prisoners are just what multi billion corporations turn to.

Quote: billryan

So now the top management at the casinos have brought convicted felons into their top secret conspiracy, because if you need someone to keep your secrets, random prisoners are just what multi billion corporations turn to.

It's what the prisoners do when they aren't making license plates

Hey, I get paid 20 cents an hour to sort those decks. Can't believe Zen has an issue with my employment by the state.

I don't get it... why is the Casino only cheating at certain places and only certain BJ games. I mean why don't they gaff every game on the floor? Recently I hit a Royal for 23,500 on Jokers (4700) coins. The slot attendant told me she never seen anyone hit a Royal on Jokers ever in any denomination at that place. So perhaps they are rigged and they just decided to hit the switch that day for me so I wouldn't call gaming and expose them!

Zen, I missed the post where you went a watched the opening of a table. Which casino was that again?

Zk should go undercover. Year or two from now, he'll have all the evidence he needs. As an added bonus, he won't have to do his own grocery shopping.

Quote: GWAE

Zen, I missed the post where you went a watched the opening of a table. Which casino was that again?

I've only seen one table open so far and that was at ARIA and the cards came in order and spread out face up. Good honest casino, I respect that. Was also at planet Hollywood the other day and saw the pit boss show me the preshuffled cards of how they come. Pretty sure ARIA and supposedly TI according to another poster are the only ones on the strip that show the cards face up and have them come in order. Disgraceful.

Quote: billryan

So now the top management at the casinos have brought convicted felons into their top secret conspiracy, because if you need someone to keep your secrets, random prisoners are just what multi billion corporations turn to.

Didn't say it was the prison(ers) sorting the deck. All the dealer told me is the cards are sent to a PRISON. I asked the pit boss where they come from in case this Asian dealer just talking out of his ass and pit boss told me he doesn't even know where they send them LOL. You can't make this up. How uninformed everyone on the floor is to the integrity of the game.

I also don't understand how someone comes to town and decides they are gonna count cards for a living and hasn't already researched all this information prior to moving out here. It's like he just moved here with the idea that he is gonna make x amount of money so easily. This guy has refused to learn any other way to get an edge in the Casino. He has refused to get a players card and show ID. I just don't get it. this town is so darn easy to maneuver in it's ridiculous. He boggles my mind when he pays for food. Its the same feeling I get when I watch people pay 32 dollars for a couple of drinks or wait in the Buffet line for over an hour. I can't help but laugh and say to myself or wife... these guys are doing it wrong... horribly wrong. Yes I know these people pay for people like me to operate but do they have to come out in droves and make so many damn mistakes. Can't they figure out some of the comp system or line passes with all the free information out these days. I ramble but you would think ZK would smarten up instead of crying foul. He truly hasn't listened to one smart guy on here. Depressing.

Quote: monet0412

I also don't understand how someone comes to town and decides they are gonna count cards for a living and hasn't already researched all this information prior to moving out here. It's like he just moved here with the idea that he is gonna make x amount of money so easily. This guy has refused to learn any other way to get an edge in the Casino. He has refused to get a players card and show ID. I just don't get it. this town is so darn easy to maneuver in it's ridiculous. He boggles my mind when he pays for food. Its the same feeling I get when I watch people pay 32 dollars for a couple of drinks or wait in the Buffet line for over an hour. I can't help but laugh and say to myself or wife... these guys are doing it wrong... horribly wrong. Yes I know these people pay for people like me to operate but do they have to come out in droves and make so many damn mistakes. Can't they figure out some of the comp system or line passes with all the free information out these days. I ramble but you would think ZK would smarten up instead of crying foul. He truly hasn't listened to one smart guy on here. Depressing.

Well I hope you're talking about comps through maybe video poker and using promotions/rebates to also get a slim edge. Other than that I'm not gonna play some -EV game like craps and play the pass line to get a few comps. Wasting time there when I can be playing a +ev game. Blackjack comps are also useless these days so no reason to get a players card for that and having them know my name.

Even if I was comp hustling something like video poker, you have to look at the trade off of time spent instead of just playing aggressive counting and getting this rigged blackjack EV which I don't even believe exists in this town. Comp city by max rubin is pretty outdated as well for today's environment.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

It's what the prisoners do when they aren't making license plates

Heck, the prisoners used to build AC Cobras in prison, so inserting a few cards into a deck will be a piece of cake.

It's good training for their post-prison career as strip casino BJ dealer.

Great bit of sletuthing there, ZK: now when you motor back to NJ you have yet another reason to give in explanation as to how and why Sin City chewed you up and spit you out.

The cards are rigged against you, as is life.

Quote: ZenKinG

Well I hope you're talking about comps through maybe video poker and using promotions/rebates to also get a slim edge. Other than that I'm not gonna play some -EV game like craps and play the pass line to get a few comps. Wasting time there when I can be playing a +ev game. Blackjack comps are also useless these days so no reason to get a players card for that and having them know my name.

Even if I was comp hustling something like video poker, you have to look at the trade off of time spent instead of just playing aggressive counting and getting this rigged blackjack EV which I don't even believe exists in this town. Comp city by max rubin is pretty outdated as well for today's environment.

Comp Hustling??? Have I not given out enough information to make it clear that comps are just icing? Pages back I literally broke down how to play at the El Cortel and what it earns you. My personality isn't very good for you since I just don't work well with others but with all the information given to you on this site I just don't understand how your not crushing this town and why you come on here crying foul, foul. Your kinda like an enigma to me... you come to this paradise and can't figure it out and only claim cheating, cheating. You have such an edge it's sick. Over 35k bankroll, plenty of free information on the net... so far ahead of the game and all you do is cry. I can't wait to see how this story ends.

You should read up more on cheating. You'll find that it's the employees who cheat the Casinos constantly. Not only that but stealing chips from players at the dice table is by far the easiest and most common form of cheating in the Casinos. I told you many times already... learn how to cheat.

We all know how the story ends, it's the enjoyment of the ride getting there that we should be enjoying.

It would seem logical to assume this guy has raised more questions and eyebrows in the pits in 3 weeks than many veteran AP's have in 3 years. He has to be on their radar, the question is are they looking at him as an AP or a mark?

No doubt they're just waiting for him to demand to talk to "the man in charge."

Such a sense of outraged entitlement, without any basis.

Quote: Boz

We all know how the story ends, it's the enjoyment of the ride getting there that we should be enjoying.

It would seem logical to assume this guy has raised more questions and eyebrows in the pits in 3 weeks than many veteran AP's have in 3 years. He has to be on their radar, the question is are they looking at him as an AP or a mark?

The funny thing is, it's probably been good cover. They probably think im some lunatic degenerate. It could also be bad as well and bring attention to my play and then they find out im counting. It is what it is. If Vegas just had some integrity, i wouldnt even be asking these questions. Crazy how im the one in the wrong here. Does no one here have any problems with vegas procedures? Just look at what i outlined and no one sees anything wrong with that? WHERE'S THE TRANSPARENCY?

Quote: MrV

No doubt they're just waiting for him to demand to talk to "the man in charge."

Such a sense of outraged entitlement, without any basis.

Without any basis? How can I get any basis if everything is hidden from the customers? The same customers they rely on to keep their business running. It's amazing the lack of transparency from business to customer going on and im the bad guy. You guys should all be 100% in my favor regarding this. I dont understand why people cant see where im coming from.

Quote: ZenKinG

Without any basis? How can I get any basis if everything is hidden from the customers? The same customers they rely on to keep their business running. It's amazing the lack of transparency from business to customer going on and im the bad guy. You guys should all be 100% in my favor regarding this. I dont understand why people cant see where im coming from.

And how do you know it is hidden if you refuse to get there when the tables open. This is actually getting to the point of trolling. You have been given a way to verify the cards yet you refuse to do it, but continue to say the cards are a certain way. Without you actually taking the time to see the cards yet crying foul it is akin to trolling the forum.