offering a bribe
Quote: CasinoKillerI'll give you 50-1 against him saying yes.
And if he said yes, I'd give 5000-1 against that being the only bribe you'd ever have to pay him.
Disclaimer: This is completely sarcasm.
Quote: BozWell there goes Axel's "AP's are smarter than the average person" argument.
Most APs, the ones I know at least, are idiot savants. The most talented AP I've ever known couldn't make a grilled cheese sandwich without fatally injuring himself.
and how much are you willing to pay him? I mean it must be something that worth more than a coffee, and how would that eats into your counting profit?
Quote: devirui recently got backed off from a local casino for card counting. im in the country where they are not as frown to card counter as they do in the us, but the recent big lucky win got me caught. the casino is fairly small compare to the ones in vegas, and i am thinking about offering a bribe to the guy that talked to me not to play. he told me quite and privately. i think he is the supervisor of the surveillance team or something. my question is does everyone that works in the casino or at least some group knows who got banned for card counting? or is it one person that decide the final decision? do you guys think his capable of removing someone from the banned list if he wants to? do you think its a bad idea?
Very bad idea.
You say that you "think" he is "the supervisor of the surveillance team or something." If you're not sure that he works there in that capacity (maybe he just watches for people he thinks are counting and then pulls this as a scam; maybe he's normally a janitor looking for some extra money), you may be walking into a scam.
Of course, if he does work there, there are some other possibilities, including:
(a) He will take the money and not do anything, which you won't discover until you try to play there again;
(b) He will take the money and have you arrested for attempted bribery. What is the penalty for that in your country?
There is the possibility that he will turn you in if you don't pay him - that is, it's not so much a bribe as it is an extortion attempt - but I am under the impression that people like that are the kind that, if you did pay them, would turn you in anyway, in part so your story that he tried to extort you won't be believed.
How the F would we know if its a good situation to offer a bribe or not?
Did the guy hint at anything?
What was his attitude?
Only the OP knows the atmosphere and what was going on at the time. we can't possibly answer that question. It's just a rediculose question IMO.
I would have to think is someone accepted a bribe they would honor it.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat I don't understand is people asking questions on a forum wanting an answer but not giving all the details.
How the F would we know if its a good situation to offer a bribe or not?
Did the guy hint at anything?
What was his attitude?
Only the OP knows the atmosphere and what was going on at the time. we can't possibly answer that question. It's just a rediculose question IMO.
I would have to think is someone accepted a bribe they would honor it.
Just when you thought you heard all the idiotic nonsense possible related to gambling.
Axel, please don’t tell me you would consider even with more precise details, take this nonsense serious or ever consider responding in any serious manner.
I have a problem just believing this person could possibly count.
I did say it was a rediculose question. Oftentimes people are just trolling, but who knows.Quote: blackholeJust when you thought you heard all the idiotic nonsense possible related to gambling.
Axel, please don’t tell me you would consider even with more precise details, take this nonsense serious or ever consider responding in any serious manner.
I have a problem just believing this person could possibly count.
Even if his question isn't legitimate there may be a legitimate conversation and a situation where someone may turn a blind eye if they get a little something extra.
I would think the game conditions and bet amounts would have to be significant to even consider anything like that.
Quote: JoeshlabotnikMost APs, the ones I know at least, are idiot savants. The most talented AP I've ever known couldn't make a grilled cheese sandwich without fatally injuring himself.
Not that I am a talented AP, but I must admit I had to Google how to make a grilled cheese sandwich once. I invited a woman over to my house for a date night and I told her I would cook whatever she wanted. She wanted a grilled cheese. I was dumbfounded expecting her to want something more exotic. I had never made a grilled cheese sandwich.
Quote: ThatDonGuy
(b) He will take the money and have you arrested for attempted bribery. What is the penalty for that in your country?
In the US, is this punished by the criminal courts? I don't think so. I looked up federal bribery laws and it seems like every clause requires someone in their PUBLIC job or UNDER OATH, neither of which apply here. Obviously, the employer could sue in the civil courts if the supervisor agreed, but I don't think the employer could go after the attempted briber, where are the damages if the supervisor doesn't take the bribe? I am not a lawyer.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_bribery
But as has been pointed out by others the level of betting would have to be quite high to make the paying of a bribe +EV if you will only gain 1 or 2 per cent edge through counting. Remember that in this situation it is unlikely to be a one time payoff. You would find yourself paying at regular intervals to keep the heat turned off.
A better idea might be, if your level of play is significant to this "smaller casino", an attempt to negotiate better playing conditions or comps for your play. Think loss rebates, early surrender, or dealer stand on soft 17. You might end up with a better and more stable edge than you can get by counting.
Quote: blackholeJust when you thought you heard all the idiotic nonsense possible related to gambling.
Personal insult -- three-day suspension.
The door's right over there =). There's a lot of intelligent people on these forums that offer up great advice and analysis to tons and tons of questions. Like ANY forums you're going to have your "general conversation" that spills in to silly stuff, but that's your entertainment value so long as you don't take it seriously. To attempt to discredit this forum over any other would be silly. I'd put our minds up against the best of them and think we'd do just fine. Let alone let's not forget, this isn't about the forums competing... ALL of the sites are teammates in it together against the casino, which is most of our common goal.Quote: monet0412LOL!! A 3 day suspension on a website where you can just fabricate as many user names as you like! Sometimes I wonder why I even bother on this site... oh right... I was hoping I would find someone spilling out some play somewhere in Vegas. I guess the entertainment value as well, oh and now I have been sucked into this black hole of posting and reading posts that I will forget in the next few days anyway.
