mcavanaugh8
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May 7th, 2016 at 9:35:24 AM permalink
Hello all,

Curious and inept as I am regarding the mathematics of Blackjack (and most kinds of advanced mathematics), I was wondering if having other players at a table impacted your probability of winning hands? If so, does it change if the player employs perfect basic strategy? Or if he is an AP? Or perhaps if he has no idea what he's doing?
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May 7th, 2016 at 9:41:07 AM permalink
It might affect your temperament if he plays silly and messes up the odd good hand. But his average effect on the house edge is very very nearly 0.
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May 7th, 2016 at 10:52:21 AM permalink
If you get enuf serious dimwits playing at the table, it begins to approach the result of CSM, which is slightly better for the bettor if no counting involved ;-). <<<<<Joke.

Prolly the best advice is play low limit tables that are full of players and run slow, if the cocktail waitresses are fast and /or loose. Drink free.
Legal Disclaimer: The strategy is somewhat different in North Carolina.
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May 7th, 2016 at 11:33:36 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Legal Disclaimer: The strategy is somewhat different in North Carolina.



Are the rules of the game different in NC?
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May 7th, 2016 at 12:06:15 PM permalink
Quote: Kellynbnf

Are the rules of the game different in NC?

Which game ;-)

Lots of things are alot different in NC. Great State, don't get me wrong.
But the Casinos are not allowed to give away free alcohol, NC State thing.
Not even in the independent 'Tribal Lands'.
I have mentioned the fact one or a dozen times before ;-)
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May 8th, 2016 at 1:39:01 PM permalink
Some things do change when other players are at the table. The ratio of cards in the deck that each person sees drops, and the length of time between each bet rises. A losing player will be better off having more players at the table. A winning player is usually worse off (but I can think of some reasons why that isn't always true).
BleedingChipsSlowly
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May 8th, 2016 at 2:38:50 PM permalink
I would say there is a positive difference for an advantage player (AP) when playing with other players. With an unfavorable count the AP can sit out the hand, check cell phone messages or find some way to avoid playing when the count is not favorable. Other players will consume the shoe, which would not happen if playing solo. True, other players would also chew through shoes when the count is favorable: you can't have it all. So my answer to the OP is a slight advantage goes to the AP with other players at that table. (Note: this view is predicated on my belief that "incorrect" ploppy play is a wash in the long run.)
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May 9th, 2016 at 8:25:59 AM permalink
The count is just as likely to go positive as negative... Thus having other players at the table is a straight 50/50 as to whether or not they would be beneficial or not. As you stated other players will eat cards in BOTH good and bad situations, but another aspect is that ploppies tend to slow the game down in general... Costing an AP money due to the reduced hands per hour. Overall, good AP's seek tables by themselves.

Also, this old quote should answer the OP's question.... "There are other players at the table?"
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May 9th, 2016 at 9:16:30 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

... ploppies tend to slow the game down in general... Costing an AP money due to the reduced hands per hour. ...

Point well taken, I had not considered that important fact. I am happy to defer to your more qualified opinion on this subject. :-)
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May 9th, 2016 at 9:29:20 AM permalink
Yeah, unfortunately I've had this happen too many times. You find a GREAT game and it gets ruined by some guy betting table min and taking 5 minutes for every playing decision, driving your hands per hour to nothing and your hourly EV from hundreds to less than minimum wage =/. Game speed / hands per hour is a pretty important factor. You can have the best game in the world but if you can only play 1 hand per day it's worthless =P.
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