Curious and inept as I am regarding the mathematics of Blackjack (and most kinds of advanced mathematics), I was wondering if having other players at a table impacted your probability of winning hands? If so, does it change if the player employs perfect basic strategy? Or if he is an AP? Or perhaps if he has no idea what he's doing?
Prolly the best advice is play low limit tables that are full of players and run slow, if the cocktail waitresses are fast and /or loose. Drink free.
Legal Disclaimer: The strategy is somewhat different in North Carolina.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLLegal Disclaimer: The strategy is somewhat different in North Carolina.
Are the rules of the game different in NC?
Which game ;-)Quote: KellynbnfAre the rules of the game different in NC?
Lots of things are alot different in NC. Great State, don't get me wrong.
But the Casinos are not allowed to give away free alcohol, NC State thing.
Not even in the independent 'Tribal Lands'.
I have mentioned the fact one or a dozen times before ;-)
Also, this old quote should answer the OP's question.... "There are other players at the table?"
Point well taken, I had not considered that important fact. I am happy to defer to your more qualified opinion on this subject. :-)Quote: Romes... ploppies tend to slow the game down in general... Costing an AP money due to the reduced hands per hour. ...
If you're a regular player (not card-counter), then the effects of someone else playing basic strategy or completely awful have absolutely no effect on you (that I can think of), at least mathematically. Having a card-counter at your table MAY hurt the basic strategy player because he MAY go from 1 spot in -EV situations and play 2 hands in +EV situations, eating up more cards in +EV situations, meaning fewer +EV rounds for you. Although, this also probably has a minimal effect.
Overall, it really doesn't make any difference whatsoever (ok, maybe a tiny sliver of a difference, if ya wanna T3-analyze it) whether it's a basic strategy player, card counter, passive or aggressive awful strategist player.
Quote: mcavanaugh8Hello all,
I was wondering if having other players at a table impacted your probability of winning hands? If so, does it change if the player employs perfect basic strategy? Or if he is an AP? Or perhaps if he has no idea what he's doing?
While playing with a "bad" player at the table may affect you psychologically, I has almost NO effect on you mathematically, provided you don't change your basic strategy. For example: if a "bad" player at 3rd base always splits 10's, you may decide to hit with a 15 or 16 vs. 6 to "compensate" for the player's bad play.
That being said, an advantage player who enters mid-shoe during positive counts and/or leaves mid-shoe during negative counts WILL increase the house edge vs. other players. The non-counting players will play fewer hands in positive counts and fewer hands in negative counts. This is not the same thing as the "ruining the order of the cards" myth. If a player enters mid-shoe because he feels lucky or sees other players winning, this will not have a long-term impact.
I hope this helps. Replies appreciated.
Besides, the number of different ways even one deck of cards can be arranged is on the order of 10**67. If you shuffled at the rate of a billion hands a sec since the beginning of the universe it would take trillions and trillions of times over the age of this universe before you would hit 10**67. Don't even ask about a 6D shoe.
Quote: BigJerBesides, the number of different ways even one deck of cards can be arranged is on the order of 10**67. If you shuffled at the rate of a billion hands a sec since the beginning of the universe it would take trillions and trillions of times over the age of this universe before you would hit 10**67. Don't even ask about a 6D shoe.
For practical purposes in Blackjack the number of permutations would be lower since suits are irrelevant and 10/J/Q/K are all worth ten points (ignoring any special rules or side bets that make those aspects of the cards relevant).