Blackjack Dealer With a Conscience

Quote: Joeman

Wait, I thought WoN said he had to pay up $7,800 to get the $10K match play. Wouldn't he have lost ~$3K in the transaction?

You're right, I mis-remembered the amount they wanted back.

Quote: everyone else

a bunch of TLDR

Quote: AxelWolf

You should ban all 3 of them.

Most dealers are taught to have a "US versus THEM" value set. Casinos encourage it and perhaps the 'gene pool' of available dealers does too, I don't know for sure.

Casino dealers work for the casino and they work for tips but their job is to keep the game FAIR, not fun, not exciting, not profitable, just .. FAIR.

Dealers are watched for procedure violations far more closely that players are watched. The casinos know who can hurt them the most.

Even at craps if the Floor wrote up a dealer while I was playing, I'll ask that he discard his copy but will be certain that he realizes its his decision no matter what a player wants.

At BJ, most of the time I'm half a round behind on my orange juice and a hand or two behind adding up my cards, so I don't get opportunities for extra pays too often.

The site went wild! You'd have thought they were talking bout boobs again, but noooooooo. The anti-casino guys were at it with the casino guys. Rare footage available on youy-tooby soon for a very small fee....
Just send a few bucks to Feathers.com. Soon I'll actually read all this jhit, there's fortunes to be made. (Hint, get the insurance companies, they already calculated in the payout, it's an actuarial thing ;-)

Quote: FleaStiff

Most dealers are taught to have a "US versus THEM" value set. Casinos encourage it and perhaps the 'gene pool' of available dealers does too, I don't know for sure.

No. We were taught: "Everyone is a GUEST and A FRIEND, both customer and team member ALIKE. There is no us versus them." I worked for Stations for eight years as a dealer, I know what the training was. Along with "everyone is a guest," we were also taught "found farewell," and the "10 and 5 rule" to reinforce the "We are all one together" concept. It was all very inclusionary.

Quote: Fleastiff

Casino dealers work for the casino and they work for tips but their job is to keep the game FAIR, not fun, not exciting, not profitable, just .. FAIR."

No. We were taught to make table games fun, otherwise they'd play slots, or go to Boyd or the Cannery. "Be social and friendly and make it fun." The days of dummy up and deal are LONG gone. More is required than just being an automaton.

Quote: fleastiff

Dealers are watched for procedure violations far more closely that players are watched. The casinos know who can hurt them the most.

Yes and no. Management trusts no one when money instruments are flying around. Everyone and everything is watched. ANYONE can hurt them.

Worry about being a moron.

Quote: RS

Worry about being a moron.

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Apparently saying "worry about being a _____" is not calling that person a ______.

So if you want to insult people without actually insulting them, use this format.

No.

Saying "Taking shots while at a casino table is a bad thing to do" is not saying "you are a moron." These things are different.



How about that?

I'm not saying "Schnorrer" = "moron".

I'm talking about sentence structure -- and babs saying you did not insult either of us. I'd think "worry about being a schnorrer" is insulting.

"Worry about being a _____" = "you are a _____".



And NO, neither Romes nor I trolled PGD.

*walks in the door*

*plate flies past my head*

*walks back out the door*

Quote: RS

I'm not saying "Schnorrer" = "moron".

I'm talking about sentence structure -- and babs saying you did not insult either of us. I'd think "worry about being a schnorrer" is insulting.

I would say that "worry about being a Schnorrer (or a shot-taker)" is both exceedingly nameless in general advice, and good general advice, when in a casino. (or at a Bar Mitzvah or Christening reception or Buffet, etc.). There was purposely no "by name" reference in my post, because it was ONLY general advice for general casino player behavior, and it applies to all equally - and to no one specifically including you - in any particular intent or fashion. I feel this is manufacturer or misinterpreted. Move past this.

Quote: RS

"Worry about being a _____" = "you are a _____".

No.
A general warning on a general behavior without a quote or name reference is not a personal insult or name calling.
Now...Johnny, name reference here, with a [quote above], with a "YOU worry about 'x' is specific."

I said "worry about being a Schnorrer/shot taker" as general advice and a post in the thread, and I meant that. If I wanted to be personal, I would have used your handle or inserted a leading quote. If you feel it was personal, please be satisfied that it was directed to any and ALL shot-takers just as a counter-productive casino player behavior. (And it is counter-productive, because consistently, the floor or shift manager comes over, announces to the player that surveillance says "You owe us $x,xxx, and please PAY," and the offending dealer gets a write-up or even gets sacked.) I mean, forget about the Federal case that goes down after that point because of it, and many times it's just needless when people know better after a small dealer screw-up.

But trust me, I feel and say that shot-taking/schnorring/AP play/what have you - is counter-productive and a general costly negative in the casino pit, and I did not say, or intend, or mean any sort of "to the man" attack here.

Quote: rs

And NO, neither Romes nor I trolled PGD.

I never made, accused, or or personally felt that any trolling or baiting of me was in effect; I felt we were debating with our mature and wisely thick skins.

Deleted, I've been officially warned.

Quote: Deucekies

*walks in the door*

*plate flies past my head*

*walks back out the door*

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