Ben and Colin's website

I was just wondering if anybody has any advice about their website. Does it have viable infomation on it? Also they offer some kind of package where you get a lot of access to training and bankroll advice videos and a deck estimator and a felt layout and chips for like 200 bucks seems pretty steep any thoughts on it?

I've thought about getting a membership with them a couple times over the years. Overall, they know what they're doing and they do give good advice. My only issue is how much they charge for giving it. After releasing the articles of "A to Z Counting Cards in Blackjack" I've had at least one or two new people message me a week with questions. I've answered literally every single one of them to the best of my ability, and I don't see a need to charge them hundreds of dollars to do so.

In the end, 99% of "card counters" will fail on their own... but if someone wants to take my proven advice to heart and really use it to the best of their abilities, then I'm more than glad to help.

They also have "casino 411" or something like that, which has up to date info/rules/promotions on casinos. This seems like it might be useful for the full time player, but you can also get a much cheaper membership to CBJN which I'd be fairly confident has a lot of the same info.

Overall, they're a good site, fighting the good fight... but the reason I haven't gotten a membership is I personally don't see the value in it. Not just because I know 99.99% of what's on their site, but because in evaluating it as though I didn't know this, I still don't think paying as much as they ask for some things is worth it... When you can get any and all of the same information on other sites for free/cheaper.

I really like them too. Their documentary "Holly Rollers" was awesome.

Yea I'm right there with you. They seem like really good guys but that's my only problem is how much they charge. There personal training where you go to Vegas and meet and train with them for a weekend is 3,000. It almost comes off as there just trying to make money more than help people. But I may get there membership one day.

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Yea I'm right there with you. They seem like really good guys but that's my only problem is how much they charge. There personal training where you go to Vegas and meet and train with them for a weekend is 3,000. It almost comes off as there just trying to make money more than help people. But I may get there membership one day.

Sounds just like the late night infomercials with the con men (not that Ben and Colin are) doing the real estate garbage. Sure the initial cost was cheap but then their representatives hounded people into buying thousands and thousands of dollars worth of other garbage.

Card counting shouldn't cost more than $20 TOTAL to learn!

I had a look through Rick Blaine's 'Blackjack Blueprint' book and it covers everything that somebody needs to train one's mind to learn count systems. I thought that aspect of the book was very well done and not really covered as in-depth as some other primers on learning to count. Price was $20 USD.

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I had a look through Rick Blaine's 'Blackjack Blueprint' book and it covers everything that somebody needs to train one's mind to learn count systems. I thought that aspect of the book was very well done and not really covered as in-depth as some other primers on learning to count. Price was $20 USD.

There's a TON of books that all have really good info on blackjack.

I get they're trying to make a little profit in exchange for info, but this is info that anyone with a little bit of effort can find on the internet for free. If you want to make it convenient for them to come to your site and find it all, then by all means charge for it, but I think the charge is a bit high.

...I suggest a few of them in my "A to Z" articles, which for my opinion, is all anyone needs to have a definite winning game of blackjack. As I have been since their release, I'm also willing to answer any followup questions someone may have... for free =).

Yea all very true. i have a few book but I get majority of my info from previous post on here and other websites which can be very helpful. I guess they feel like they can charge that much is because they are well know card counters that ran a famous team but hey im sure quite a few of people buy it.
Something is worth what someone's willing to pay