Trespassed
Do casinos keep a video library of my plays when I was backed off?
Am I on every casino's do not play list? Should I ask for a player's card?
Quote: jjjooogggI've been trespassed in another city from two casinos and banned with ID.
Do casinos keep a video library of my plays when I was backed off?
Am I on every casino's do not play list? Should I ask for a player's card?
Depends what for, and the company's policies. In my casino for example, we'd keep all footage of the actual removal and ban, as well as any investigations conducted into your play or activities (Assuming it was a ban for advantage play)
That information would be summarized and passed along if necessary. Again, it depends why you were trespassed.
One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.
Quote: jjjooogggI was trespassed for card counting. Afterwards, I got a player's card in another city and they let me play. But I wonder if they were alerted and put me on priority for surveillance instead of going directly to back off?
One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.
Our gaming network extends province-wide. It's entirely possible that wherever you played, has the same sort of setup. It's really up to the discretion of the place you're playing at. If you were playing at a casino owned by the same parent company as the one you got banned from, then there's a much higher likelihood of being removed again.
Some people who have been banned elsewhere are put on a "close watch" status when they come here, and we monitor their play, and evaluate the type of damage they can potentially do. Others are straight up backed off the game or out of the building. A lot of it depends on circumstance and what sort of information they already have on you.
Quote: jjjooogggI was trespassed for card counting. Afterwards, I got a player's card in another city and they let me play. But I wonder if they were alerted and put me on priority for surveillance instead of going directly to back off?
One casino recognized me the day after I got trespassed from another and told me to play my last hand.
First offense/encounter? Walk us through it. Were you read to from a card, escorted out and told to never return?
Las Vegas Casino 1-8 spread using cover play in dd. Surrounded by maybe 5 security. Read trespass card and escorted off.
Las Vegas Casino played 1-8 spread in dd using cover maybe 20 minutes. Suited man said I'm playing to well to offer the game anymore. When I cash in, they ask for ID. I can see the screen flashing red from the red glow on the cashier's face. He gets three calls asking my name and tells them.
Played 1-8 spread dd 30 minutes. I leave the moment pit boss makes call. I come back a day later. I play a few hands and man said no more blackjack.
I am just wondering at what point will my name be recognized by every casino?
There was one casino that has bad penetration everywhere. I play 1-4 spread in hi limit for 20 minutes using cover. I go to the main floor to play dd. Another dealer comes in and starts giving good penetration. I felt like I was being baited so I left.
Quote: jjjooogggWhen I drove to the next casino after a trespass, a man walked in after maybe 10 minutes of play and said that's your last hand and knew my name. He was escorting me but got pulled away by a belligerent customer. Next, I went to the biggest casino in the same city. As I walk past security, he talks into his radio like something important. I felt one of the players was playing to monitor me and walked off after I played cover. I left soon.
There was one casino that has bad penetration everywhere. I play 1-4 spread in hi limit for 20 minutes using cover. I go to the main floor to play dd. Another dealer comes in and starts giving good penetration. I felt like I was being baited so I left.
This is just paranoia. Good rule of thumb for _MOST_ AP's is to take the amount of attention/effort you think this casino is giving you and divide by 1,000,000. Unless you are Phil Ivey and just walked out of Crockfords, no one cares that much. You have to realize, the main target of casino surveillance is cheaters, not low-rolling APs.
Quote: RSI can't tell if you're being serious or not...
Agreed. I can't even imagined being backed off for spreading 1-4.
What the original question is: can I bet that casinos have my name on some national database. I have no idea how the casino surveillance works. If everything is computerized now a days. I would think that every time I apply for a players card, I will be flagged.
I am trying to decide whether to get a player's card. The pit bosses are like why not.
I got backed off for 1-8 spread but I play 1-4 spread now. But I am still concerned that even with a 1-4 and with my back off history. I may not want to use a player's card. I didn't say I was backed off using a 1-4 spread. I said that I thought I was being watched because a new dealer started giving good penetration.
Why would I make this up. I am here for intel.
Quote: MaxPenI find this a little hard to believe. Usually, you just get told to discontinue play and then it's bye time. Go back a couple months later and all is forgotten, unless of course you stand out in some dramatic way.
I don't like mentioning casino names. Because I don't know which casinos are on this forum. I took 2 years off dealing with personal issues.
I find it ironic that with all my cover play and learning curve. I still haven't broke even. I'm 15K down. I go to mostly $25 tables.
I was presented the trespass card. In a way that was a compliment. Maybe because I look intelligent.
Quote: jjjooogggI already was told a long time ago by a friend that my photo must have been faxed to nearby casinos. I get that.
What the original question is: can I bet that casinos have my name on some national database. I have no idea how the casino surveillance works. If everything is computerized now a days. I would think that every time I apply for a players card, I will be flagged.
I am trying to decide whether to get a player's card. The pit bosses are like why not.
I got backed off for 1-8 spread but I play 1-4 spread now. But I am still concerned that even with a 1-4 and with my back off history. I may not want to use a player's card. I didn't say I was backed off using a 1-4 spread. I said that I thought I was being watched because a new dealer started giving good penetration.
Why would I make this up. I am here for intel.
As I mentioned previously, if you were banned from our casino, we would have your information based on the interactions involving our staff. If we acquired your first / last name via ID or conversation, we'd keep it for our internal database, along with anything else (DOB, address, job, preferred game, etc) if necessary. Our network of information that is spread, is province-wide. Along that network, name, DOB, and a short synopsis of details is passed around.
It takes very special circumstances to go above and beyond that. We have patrons who are banned from other establishments in our casino all the time. We're aware as to why they're banned, but we don't extend that to our own place if we think their business is profitable.
I know my favorite casino will let me play with a card Because I got a card after all this two years ago and they let me play. I haven't played for two years and no one recognizes me.
I guess, I will get a card. Since I use 1-4 spread now.
Quote: jjjooogggwith all my cover play and learning curve. I still haven't broke even. I'm 15K down. I go to mostly $25 tables.
I don't see how a 1-4 spread will make you money, unless it's single deck, or you're heavily wonging (which isn't a 1-4 spread - it's a 0-4 spread).
Not sure how many rounds you've played, but at the "old" 1-8 spread, that's only 75 max bets.
So... I don't see anything surprising here.
For a lot of people, the answer is "stop trying to count cards." If he's getting 86ed that means he's getting caught, and if he's getting caught he's not good enough to play under the radar.Quote: AxelWolfI say get a book or something. From your posts it's obvious you're not ready for card counting. You're going to blow yourself up before you actually have any value. Getting 86'ed shouldn't be taken as a compliment especially when your down money. You should have a big pit in you're stomach and be upset, assume you just burnt a bundle of cash in flames (If you're down 15k you probably don't feel that way). You should figure out what you've done wrong and stop doing it.
Getting 86ed if you're a profitable card counter is like getting fired from a good job: you can't make money there anymore. If you're *not* profitable, though, getting 86ed helps prevent further losses. On balance, that's probably a good thing.
He should just put his next 15k in the stock market. That way he'll only lose half of it.
And casinos are likely on the alert for new people in the database, especially when they show up to another casino 30 minutes later.
