Thinking about 6:5 bj

6:5 is a disease.
We all agree.

But it is not going anywhere and I was wondering if there is any way possible to beat this game.
If they make the rules liberal enough (out of arrogance) then it may be possible to use a different approach and beat this game.


Is there any software I can buy that will recalc the actual card values and basic strategy in a 6:5 game?

Basic strategy is the same, doesn't matter what BJ payout is.

If you're playing a CC game, you can purchase CVCX from qfit.com. It's the best BJ card-counting simulation software available. You can do stuff like enter the rules of the game and it runs the simulation. After the simulation has finished, you can enter your bankroll, desired spread, desired risk-of-ruin, 1 hand or 2 hands, if you wong in/out, etc. and it'll show you all the information you want.

Quote: Taterbuggy

6:5 is a disease.
We all agree.

But it is not going anywhere and I was wondering if there is any way possible to beat this game.
If they make the rules liberal enough (out of arrogance) then it may be possible to use a different approach and beat this game.


Is there any software I can buy that will recalc the actual card values and basic strategy in a 6:5 game?

A great big WOV welcome to you, Taterbuggy! There's got to be a story behind that name. :-)

The first hurdle is overcoming the 1.39% that 6:5 adds to the house edge. You'll need to play single deck, heads up with a 1-20 spread. Make that 1-30 just to be on the safe side. If you can do that and a few other tweaks maybe, just maybe, you can beat it. Who is going to let you do that?

Strategy wise, it's exactly the same... Even if you had the most liberal rules that would make a 3:2 game EVEN, so 0.00% house edge, then simply changing it to 6:5 makes it a 1.39% house edge game. You need to find another way to beat the game.

I would really like to know something. What was the first casino that introduced 6:5 blackjack and what person originated the idea. What casino in Vegas introduced 6:5 blackjack and approximately when was this.

I think it's been around about 10 years, right?

(The question about who originated 6:5 blackjack is really intriguing and I'll bet the answer is lost to history. I've never heard, read or seen any reference to this originator and no one has ever spoken up to take credit for this that I know of.)

Nobody should be thinking about 6:5 blackjack period!

Yeah, it is a shame that it is getting so difficult to find 3:2 games that aren't expensive. I used to play BJ a lot 6-7 years ago. But, now I pretty much stick to tiles. Even craps has jacked up its prices so finding $5 tables can be difficult.

6:5 is beatable with a wong in only approach. Only play at TC +4 or better and you will be playing every hand at an advantage. It's just that you won't be playing many hands, with a ton of standing around that will make what you are doing very obvious, so I doubt they will let you go on for long.

When 6:5 first came out in AC, there was a guy on another site that was hitting it pretty hard with a huge spread. Like 1-100 spread. He was allowed to play for quite a while because the pit didn't think anyone who was a real threat would waste there time playing 6:5.

Even if you were allowed to play with a really big spread, you would need a huge bankroll to safely do so and you are going to encounter mega monster swings, as just part of normal variance. Many, many times larger than the huge swings that most card counters (myself included) already cry about. So, it's not that it's impossible, just that there are much better options.

Quote: Greasyjohn

I would really like to know something. What was the first casino that introduced 6:5 blackjack and what person originated the idea. What casino in Vegas introduced 6:5 blackjack and approximately when was this.

I think it's been around about 10 years, right?

(The question about who originated 6:5 blackjack is really intriguing and I'll bet the answer is lost to history. I've never heard, read or seen any reference to this originator and no one has ever spoken up to take credit for this that I know of.)

The author of this article seems to think it was the Flamingo being the first casino to offer it. That said, I didn't find a date where this was created. Judging by the style of the webpage, I would go somewhere between 2003-2006 however.
http://www.smartgaming.com/html/articles/65blackjack.htm

*Edit* after some further review, our own "teliot* seems to think it was the Flamingo in August of 2002