What would happen if a shoe ran out of cards?
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April 22nd, 2015 at 11:22:51 AM
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I was playing blackjack yesterday and it being a very slow Tuesday the penetration was very good probably close to 85-90%. I was at third base and the cut card came out two players before me. I ended up splitting to 3 hands and at the end there were only a few cards left in the shoe. If the cut card had come out at first base I'm pretty sure that we would have run out of cards. Has this happened before? What is the protocol in this situation?
April 22nd, 2015 at 11:46:00 AM
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Dunno. We once ran out of cards in a 6 deck CSM. Not even I noticed that the dealer wasn't putting the discards back into it.
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April 22nd, 2015 at 12:07:39 PM
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Don't know what would actually happen with the game, but the dealer probably would be fired for starters
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April 22nd, 2015 at 12:12:05 PM
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Quote: Gabes22Don't know what would actually happen with the game, but the dealer probably would be fired for starters
That would probably not happen. The dealer ran out of cards once when I was playing single deck. The dealer cancelled the last round. I'm not sure if that's what's supposed be done, but that's what the dealer did.
April 22nd, 2015 at 12:36:55 PM
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They are not gonna do it right at the table with paying customers there. It would be done off the floor IMO
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
April 22nd, 2015 at 1:06:27 PM
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I've seen this happen at both of the places that I have dealt, and both times this is what happened.
The supervisor had the dealer shuffle (by hand) all of the discards, as though they were shuffling a complete deck/shoe, including having a player cut and burning the first card. The dealer then used the freshly shuffled pack to complete the round.
The supervisor had the dealer shuffle (by hand) all of the discards, as though they were shuffling a complete deck/shoe, including having a player cut and burning the first card. The dealer then used the freshly shuffled pack to complete the round.
April 22nd, 2015 at 1:50:07 PM
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Quote: sddealer... then used the freshly shuffled pack to complete the round.
Just that round? And then shuffle again???
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April 22nd, 2015 at 2:04:14 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearJust that round? And then shuffle again???
Yes, a new shuffle after the round. At this point, the cards in the shuffle machine were ready to be dealt. I think the idea was that the players didn't want to play all the way through a shoe that was missing a bunch of cards when it was shuffled.
April 22nd, 2015 at 2:15:32 PM
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Quote: sddealerI've seen this happen at both of the places that I have dealt, and both times this is what happened.
The supervisor had the dealer shuffle (by hand) all of the discards, as though they were shuffling a complete deck/shoe, including having a player cut and burning the first card. The dealer then used the freshly shuffled pack to complete the round.
My experiences align with sddealer. My first place had SD, and this was a nightly event by some dealer on the floor. They would deal out an extra round by mistake because they lost track of how many rounds they had dealt since the last shuffle, or you would get an extreme number of splits and drawn cards. Dealers were never more than lightly chastised by the floor for it. This in no way would even be close to an offense worth getting written up, let alone fired.
When it happens, we just did as sddealer described.
I've never seen it happen on a shoe game. I imagine the same procedures would be used. I envision it could only happen on a shoe game with either extremely deep penetration or the dealer forgot to put the cut card in indicating the end of the shoe.
April 22nd, 2015 at 2:56:27 PM
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I've seen it happen on a shoe a csm and on a pitch game. It was not that unusual on pitch. On the csm they just put the cards back in the shuffler and continued on with the game. On the shoe the dealer forgot to put the cut card in.Theytold everyone that they would shuffle the remaining cards and finish the hand. We were given the option to back out of the hand also.
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April 22nd, 2015 at 3:46:58 PM
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What happens in a single deck game if a player or players continued to take cards even after busting? For example they end up with 6 cards totalling 43. They would have to get drunk players or players doing it for a laugh all the time.
April 22nd, 2015 at 6:56:49 PM
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Assuming it's not a face up game and is a pitch game, it's possible the dealer won't know the player has busted. It's not a violation if the player continues to hit because they miscounted. Once the hit cards on the table reach 20, we know the player has busted and will ask the player to flip over their cards in their hand. If extra cards were taken, there's nothing to do, the game continues as normal. Some of the other players will grumble if it hurts them though.
April 22nd, 2015 at 7:15:48 PM
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I was playing pitch alone at Palace a few months ago when I miscounted a hand and ended up tucking a 22.
They kicked me off the table told me I wasn't allowed to play for the rest of the evening.
They kicked me off the table told me I wasn't allowed to play for the rest of the evening.
April 22nd, 2015 at 8:25:23 PM
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Quote: VenthusI was playing pitch alone at Palace a few months ago when I miscounted a hand and ended up tucking a 22.
They kicked me off the table told me I wasn't allowed to play for the rest of the evening.
That seems like quite the overreaction. Players accidentally tuck 22's all the time.
April 22nd, 2015 at 9:12:54 PM
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Quote: TriathlonToddThat seems like quite the overreaction. Players accidentally tuck 22's all the time.
You can say that again. Kicked off the game for making one mistake? Sure there wasn't more to it than that?
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April 22nd, 2015 at 11:20:43 PM
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If I recall correctly some games all cards (including the ones you get when you take a hit) are face down? Or did I imagine it (totally possible)? In this case someone could just keep taking cards for a laugh right? It would be quite funny to have a table of 4 or 5 people all do it on the one hand.
April 22nd, 2015 at 11:30:09 PM
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Traditionally, on a pitch game, your initial two cards are the only ones that are hidden. Additional hit cards are dealt face up.
April 22nd, 2015 at 11:41:08 PM
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Gotcha. Been a while since I saw one so as I suspected, it was imagined :)
April 23rd, 2015 at 12:36:24 PM
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Quote: DeucekiesYou can say that again. Kicked off the game for making one mistake? Sure there wasn't more to it than that?
Palace has always been weird to me.
I suspect they may have been trying to free up the table and using it as an excuse, since it's usually occupied by some high roller (purple+) in a hoodie who keeps the table private.
April 23rd, 2015 at 2:37:31 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearJust that round? And then shuffle again???
I remember playing a shoe game in the Crystal Casino in Compton, California. Failing to put a cut card into the shuffled cards, the dealer eventually ran out of cards. His supervisor had him shuffle the discards, place them in the shoe, and continue play for the final round and for the whole next shoe. (I remember my trying to figure out how to start my running count for that next shoe.)
April 23rd, 2015 at 2:47:04 PM
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They continued the shoe?
I've posed that question before on DD and SD and they said they'd shuffle the discard, finish the hand, and reshuffle. (And we'd get an ice cream. The woman next to asked if he was serious.)
I've posed that question before on DD and SD and they said they'd shuffle the discard, finish the hand, and reshuffle. (And we'd get an ice cream. The woman next to asked if he was serious.)
