vendman1
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April 13th, 2015 at 9:00:34 AM permalink
The merits of splitting tens are debatable. Yes, if you are counting at a high index number you should split them. But to me it's just not worth it. As someone else said; it screams either COUNTER...or IDIOT. Keeping a low profile at the BJ table is in my mind important for avoiding heat. Splitting 10's (regardless of the merits of the move) just brings to much attention. Not worth it.
mcallister3200
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April 13th, 2015 at 9:14:07 AM permalink
You get 2/3 of the gain of splitting 10's if you only split them at +6 or higher. I don't always split tens, but when I do it's a monster count. You can also use the same +6 index for 4-6.
1BB
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April 13th, 2015 at 9:19:27 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

The merits of splitting tens are debatable. Yes, if you are counting at a high index number you should split them. But to me it's just not worth it. As someone else said; it screams either COUNTER...or IDIOT. Keeping a low profile at the BJ table is in my mind important for avoiding heat. Splitting 10's (regardless of the merits of the move) just brings to much attention. Not worth it.

Short sessions for me.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
reno
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April 13th, 2015 at 9:46:47 AM permalink
For me, it depends upon whether I have a small wager on the table or a big wager. If I'm playing low stakes, minimum bets, sometimes I'll screw around and do fun (stupid) plays that are mathematically unsound. But if I have a big wager on the table, I'll quit the joking and play serious basic strategy. For me, it hurts less to lose a big bet if I know I did everything by the book.

It's mathematically unsound to drink alcohol at the table and I do that, too.
gav
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April 13th, 2015 at 10:12:24 AM permalink
Quote: 1bb

Hi, gav. In shoe games it's one in the same for me because I play slightly more aggressively by getting my max bet out at +4. The index for 10,10 vs 5 is +5 and vs 6 it is +4. I'll finish the shoe and leave.

Its a little off topic but kinda what kewlj said: do you always leave after showing max bet? Or is that your playing strategy using short sessions. Splitting tens or not. Like if i was planning to play for a while should I continue playing after showing max bet?
surrender88s
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April 13th, 2015 at 10:16:52 AM permalink
Quote: gav

Its a little off topic but kinda what kewlj said: do you always leave after showing max bet? Or is that your playing strategy using short sessions. Splitting tens or not. Like if i was planning to play for a while should I continue playing after showing max bet?

That depends on a lot of things. You havr guys that play hard until they are backed off, and that's how they operate, and you have guys who have a small spread and play for hours at the same place. There's no real answer to this other than: it's up to you.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
Joeman
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April 13th, 2015 at 10:19:31 AM permalink
My Dad, who plays "not quite" BS, split 10's once to make an obnoxious ploppy leave the table. Loud, grumpy guy buys in at his table, and says, "I had to leave that other table. Some moron was splitting his 10's." So, my Dad split his next 20. Guy left. Definitely +EV (assuming the ploppy isn't waiting for him in the parking lot!)

As Wiz and Duecekies said, I think dealers announce "bad" plays both to alert the player that he is making a questionable decision, and allow him no wiggle room after play is completed. E.g, you can't come back and say, "I never wanted to split my 10's" after the dealer announced your intentions to the entire casino.

I say go ahead and play how you want. It's usually not a mathematically sound move, but if you enjoy it, go for it. I recall some years ago when I was playing with some friends at a casino in Biloxi. We were doubling hard 12's at a \$5 table, and having a blast. Having the dealer shout it out each time was part of the fun. Alcohol may have been involved.
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
1BB
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April 13th, 2015 at 10:25:55 AM permalink
Quote: gav

Its a little off topic but kinda what kewlj said: do you always leave after showing max bet? Or is that your playing strategy using short sessions. Splitting tens or not. Like if i was planning to play for a while should I continue playing after showing max bet?

Both. They need an hour, maybe 45 minutes, to look at you before initiating a skills check or whatever else they may do. You want to be gone before then. I spread 1-16 or more in shoe games if I can get away with it. You'd be surprised.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
vendman1
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April 13th, 2015 at 11:04:29 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Both. They need an hour, maybe 45 minutes, to look at you before initiating a skills check or whatever else they may do. You want to be gone before then. I spread 1-16 or more in shoe games if I can get away with it. You'd be surprised.

Really...an hour for a skills check? Hmmmm. I guess I give them too much credit. I figured they just rewound the tape or whatever back to the beginning of a shoe and counted from there, and compared the count to your bet size. Should only take 10 min or so I would think. Either way I like your moxie. I get nervous spreading more than 1-8. But that's more my chickenshit nature, than anything else. :)
Dieter
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April 13th, 2015 at 5:45:22 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

My Dad, who plays "not quite" BS, split 10's once to make an obnoxious ploppy leave the table.

Unfortunately, 70% of the time when I split tens, I'm trying to figure out if the obnoxious newcomer is a civilian or pro. Usually a pro, and it usually doesn't scare them off.

And no, I don't leave immediately after, no matter the bet size. Any place I'm splitting tens, there's no heat.
May the cards fall in your favor.