Backed off in Tahoe.
All of the tables were jammed packed, except the single deck game which was $25 minimum. Double only 10/11, 3:2 BJ, no surrender, no DAS, cutting probably 40% of the deck out. Not exactly juicy conditions.
Played 25/75. No more than this at any point. I was at the table for less than an hour. The dealers were cool, it was just me and him/her.
I was down as much as $500. Swung back and was up literally $40. Pit boss came up from behind me with security guards and said "We need to talk. We don't appreciate your style of play. We would like you to cash out now."
I didn't protest, but calmly explained that I started with $700 on the table and that I was up $40. I told her that I never more than tripled my bet. The dealer was befuddled himself at what was going on, but confirmed that I was telling the truth. Pit boss didn't care. I walked around, with security guards trailing me.
Seriously, what a bunch of amateurs. I love the casino, but a backoff at 1:3? Pretty sad.
Yes, I realize it's a small local place. Yes, I realize it was the $25 table. And yes, I realize $75 was a lot to them, but come on...
I was actually surprised that they would take such action, given that I had won nothing.
But yeah, only suckers are welcome. Use your brain and you're out.
Sucks that I won't be able to go back, as Lakeside Inn is truly a dope, chill place. But the game they have ain't that great. And it is a moral victory for me in some ways. It was my first back off. Too bad the rest of the casinos in Tahoe are utter dogshit and don't offer a single game I would play in the most desperate of conditions.
So go elsewhere and skin them!
Congratulations.
Quote: Amlee"We need to talk. We don't appreciate your style of play. We would like you to cash out now."
Their average customers would double on hard 7, take even-money, and stand on 15&16 all the times. There is no way that they would appreciate your style of play at all. I had been to Lakeside couple times abut 6 years ago. Their average action at the blackjack tables was $5 or $10. Your green play made you completely sticking out in the casino especially at the single deck table.
Quote: AmleeI didn't protest, but calmly explained that I started with $700 on the table and that I was up $40. I told her that I never more than tripled my bet. The dealer was befuddled himself at what was going on, but confirmed that I was telling the truth. Pit boss didn't care.
You should not waste your time to explain anything. I have never heard a single successful story that a card counter could convince the pit boss to let them play again. Yes, a backoff at 1:3 is pretty funny. But they are the sweaty joint. If they really know what they are doing, they would have 86ed you when you were down.
OT: But their restaurant Latin Soul is good.
Quote: Amlee
Played 25/75. No more than this at any point. I was at the table for less than an hour. The dealers were cool, it was just me and him/her.
Surveillance nailed you. At a single deck table
all alone for an hour, you were a sitting duck.
They ran a skill check and poof, you're gone.
Makes them look good, they actually did their
job for a change.
LOL, WTF?
You're a card counter, the house isn't making money off you, they don't want your action, period.
I never told them that I was card counting and never mentioned any ratios. I simply said that I wasn't making any big bets in relation to the fact that it was a $25 table. I didn't go into any details. It was ridiculous. The pit boss acted like I was robbing the joint. I left up $40. Laughable.
It's a lesson learned. I never had any intention to play the $25 table, but the rest were full of people and the action was moving slower than ?#$%. Knowing that it would draw potentially heat, I lowered my normal 1:5 game to a measly 1:3 that night, but it was too much for the Lakeside. People comment all the time that the same happens in Vegas at El Cortez.
They had no problem with the guy who stepped up at the table3 and doubled on 12 ($100 bet x 2) against the dealer's 10. LOL. He had the carte blanche to play all night.
Quote: Amleesc15,
People comment all the time that the same happens in Vegas at El Cortez.
They had no problem with the guy who stepped up at the table3 and doubled on 12 ($100 bet x 2) against the dealer's 10. LOL. He had the carte blanche to play all night.
Of course they won't bother that player if they play that dumb. They couldn't wait to comp them a room.
BTW, another place that's sweaty as hell is The CalNeva Club in Reno. I won like $200 there in a short time and a couple of PBs started to congregate and look over. Their eyes were glued to me as I was cashing in my chips and walking out.
Quote: BigJer
BTW, another place that's sweaty as hell is The CalNeva Club in Reno. .
Sinatra's old mob casino, it's a dump. All
dumps sweat the money.
Quote: EvenBobSinatra's old mob casino, it's a dump. All
dumps sweat the money.
Jackpot.
You were counting, they figured out you were counting, you got backed off.
Quote: EvenBobSinatra's old mob casino, it's a dump. All
dumps sweat the money.
Actually, Sinatra's joint was the Cal Neva Lodge at North Shore Lake Tahoe. The Club Cal Neva is in downtown Reno. But they sure are both dumps. I never could find a play at the Cal Neva Lodge but I had lots of plays at the Club Cal Neva.
Quote: EvenBobSinatra's old mob casino, it's a dump. All
dumps sweat the money.
True, but dumps usually have better table rules and lower minimums. Getting a little time in at a good table before an inevitable backoff is better than staring at a 6/5 CSM at a high-end place.
Quote: mickeycrimmActually, Sinatra's joint was the Cal Neva Lodge at North Shore Lake Tahoe. The Club Cal Neva is in downtown Reno. But they sure are both dumps. I never could find a play at the Cal Neva Lodge but I had lots of plays at the Club Cal Neva.
I agree. The downtown Cal Neva is still a good place for a low roller to stay, play, drink and eat cheap. But they also watch you like a hawk at the BJ table.
I've been backed off from BJ at half a dozen places around Nevada and never complain. Comes with the territory. Never play at the sweathouses for just that reason.
Quote: Amleesc15,
I never told them that I was card counting and never mentioned any ratios. I simply said that I wasn't making any big bets in relation to the fact that it was a $25 table. I didn't go into any details. It was ridiculous. The pit boss acted like I was robbing the joint. I left up $40. Laughable.
It's a lesson learned. I never had any intention to play the $25 table, but the rest were full of people and the action was moving slower than ?#$%. Knowing that it would draw potentially heat, I lowered my normal 1:5 game to a measly 1:3 that night, but it was too much for the Lakeside. People comment all the time that the same happens in Vegas at El Cortez.
They had no problem with the guy who stepped up at the table3 and doubled on 12 ($100 bet x 2) against the dealer's 10. LOL. He had the carte blanche to play all night.
In your first sentence you say that you never mentioned that you were a card counter, or mentioned any ratios. But you did in your OP mention that you told the manager that you never more than tripled your bet. Thereby telling them, essentially, that you had only a 1-3 spread (as though you would have thought this would be tolerated). This is counter speak.
If you were consistently opening for $25 then your short run is expected.
Quote: runningmanThey're currently remodeling Sinatra's old hangout on the north shore. Great nostalgic place.
The tunnels connecting the cabins is a great
tourist attraction.
