Most rude comment you have gotten while card counting :]

I think yesterday I have officially received my most obnoxious comment to date , me and a friend were back counting at a point where the pit boss / dealer couldnt get sight on us but the players could. This one player in particular looked over a handful of times and every time looked at us like he was tripping some major balls and we were ready to arrest him. When the count got good I proceeded to walk by just like every other tourist would and scan the table.... And that is where it happened... he turns around and says you just gonna hawk eye my game or are you here to play!? And as any counter with a TC +9 I was like sure I'll play. The second I sit down the pit boss walks over and asks if I have or would like a players card while showing no sign of recognition or anything of the sort. The player that had already been causing me problems proceeds to say "See this shit, I saw him earlier he must be hi-lo or opt 2 counting or some shit and waiting for the deck to get rich so that he can come in and f*#k up my game!" Straight to the pit boss.... the pit boss proceeds to smile and walk away and he continues on with "I swear to god if he f#*ks up my hands" then "Well this deck turned to shit real fast for me" immediately the dealer responds with be nice now... At this point I have yet to say a word but I kindly looked up at the female dealer and said "Appreciate the kind words but don't worry, I've watched him pull out cash 6 times tonight so hes just another ignorant ass gambler" Then immediately turned to him and said "Best of luck, your gonna need it" (during the previous hand the cut card had been drawn, so I was leaving for the night anyway since it was 1 am) He turned bright red and started mumbling up a storm while I headed to the exit door.

So whats the worst comments / situations you all have come across during your card counting days?

You do realize he was right, if not tactful.

He was right, but the pit boss / dealer hadn't seen us all night so to just call it out to the pit after I had already watched him lose $4,000 was just unnecessary, and I found it funny he said this deck went to shit after I watched him lose $4,000 .... But I figured he was mad at the world because I watched him lose a good 90% of his hands... I did have pleasure in not taking a hit at 16 v 10 with tc above 9 already so he took his hit on 8 and got a 5 for 13 then a 10 for bust and REALLY blew up! lol

Bumped, punched in the arm, threatened with murder and called every name in the book. I really have to stop hitting hard 20s. :-) I've had a drink deliberately dumped on my cards and I've seen a blue haired lady get a full ashtray dumped on her head. I got jumped in a parking garage by a guy and his girlfriend who had been at my table but I think that was more about robbing me.

I want to stress that this is not the norm. The preceding situations are from a very long career.

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Bumped, punched in the arm, threatened with murdur and called every name in the book. I really have to stop hitting hard 20s. :-) I've had a drink deliberately dumped on my cards and I've seen a blue haired lady get a full ashtray dumped on her head. I got jumped in a parking garage by a guy and his girlfriend who had been at my table but I think that was more about robbing me.

I want to stress that this is not the norm. The preceding situations are from a very long career.

Ah, yes. Combat Blackjack! Sounds like a tough game to play.

Quote: mickeycrimm

Ah, yes. Combat Blackjack! Sounds like a tough game to play.

Hey, that was just in the car on the way down. :-)

I lold.... people losing there shit man... and why were you hitting hard 20s? Was it a BJ tournament?

Quote: avenged43

I lold.... people losing there shit man... and why were you hitting hard 20s? Was it a BJ tournament?

I was joking but I've seen it done to get people to leave the table.

hahahhahaahahhah :D Gamblers be like NOOOOO MY MAGIC FLOW OF THE CARDS! #RageQuit

I've heard of it happening in blackjack tournaments as a last resort sort of thing but never seen it done at just a random table yet, luckily yesterday at TC 8 I split 10s against 6 into 8 hands and the guy laughed super hard and said hell your a gambler I LOVE IT! rather then rage :D made my day that much better to know some people have fun! And I laughed super hard when I got all those 10s in a row and the dealer got a 2 on 16 and beat 4 of my 8 hands :D That's the life we live when you play full indexes, my favorite line that I get more then 1/2 the time when I split 10s is "Your either stupid or have alot of guts" "Your either stupid or have some big balls" "Your either stupid or very smart"

I am awaiting this comment:

"Are you using speed count…?"

Rude funny comment directed at me during poker at the Bellagio about 5 years ago.
I got aces on the big blind with just 1 caller. Just did a min raise due to just 1 other player.
K on the flop, no big bet, just bet small to keep the guy calling.
Showed Aces and won.
Guy that lost says, "Aces, dude you friends play at the Riviera"

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Was once playing heads-up graveyard SD blackjack. I'd only been playing a few minutes. Pit boss standing a table or so away. Only the three of us in the pit. Then I get a soft 19 against a dealer six. I double down. A BS play. Dealer announces, "We got a counter." I said nothing. Don't even remember if I won the hand. Left the table after a couple of hands.

I've often thought of what a good comeback would be. You don't want to escalate the situation. Perhaps silence was best. I could have asked, "What's a counter?" Said, "What a brown nose." Could have said,"You get many tips?"

Well, like I said, silence was probably best. But if anyone has a killer comeback that wouldn't escalate the situation I'd love to hear it.

Carry a basic strategy chart and show it to them. I've been known to show the wrong one after making an index play. I've gotten some smirks but not once did anyone correct me. Hope they didn't talk about me in the break room, between that and my tipping. :-)

Gee what ever happened to putting your money down and making your decisions without anyone trying to second guess you or comment about your style? Just friendly banter as the game progresses, a few congratulations when you deviate from basic strategy and win, etc. A nice friendly gambling experience.

As to the comeback, go with a rain man reference with a good impression, then laugh.

It has always amused me that counters think its funny when they make an "unusual" play based on the count - but want to kill the avg players when he does the same thing for whatever reason

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It has always amused me that counters think its funny when they make an "unusual" play based on the count - but want to kill the avg players when he does the same thing for whatever reason

An experienced counter who truly understands the game would not comment, make faces or in any way berate another player because of their playing decisions. The only exception would be a little grumbling for cover but even then it would not be directed towards another player.

If a so called counter does this, there is something lacking in their approach to the game and they may not be the counter that they think they are. I see it a lot. These are the guys who discuss counting right at the table.

If you want your butt chewed out by the rest of the table then hit a 12 against a dealer 2 when you are on third base.

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If you want your butt chewed out by the rest of the table then hit a 12 against a dealer 2 when you are on third base.

Were you at my table this morning? They don't even wait to see the outcome before commenting. It gives the dealers a break. Usually they get blamed. They should let me join their union. :-)

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If you want your butt chewed out by the rest of the table then hit a 12 against a dealer 2 when you are on third base.

Say I do that,
how does that hurt the rest of the table.
Whatever stategy I use, perfect or stupid, will not affect the odds of the other players.
It may effect cards going forward but it does not effect odds.
Could care less if they chew me out. I'll just point out the absurd BS.

Quote: terapined

Say I do that,
how does that hurt the rest of the table.
Whatever stategy I use, perfect or stupid, will not affect the odds of the other players.
It may effect cards going forward but it does not effect odds.
Could care less if they chew me out. I'll just point out the absurd BS.

Yes, it is true that your playing will not have an effect on other players. However perfect Basic Strategy players, and even counters, will lose most hands. When an amateur player loses that hand or the next hand, they will believe that you CAUSED them to lose. However, if you "play correctly", when they lose a hand, it is instead due to bad luck.

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Yes, it is true that your playing will not have an effect on other players. However perfect Basic Strategy players, and even counters, will lose most hands. When an amateur player loses that hand or the next hand, they will believe that you CAUSED them to lose. However, if you "play correctly", when they lose a hand, it is instead due to bad luck.

Believe don't mean jack in my book. This actually happened to me long ago. When I 1st visited Vegas about 20 years ago, did very little gambling. I would sign up for a players card, get some type of black jack promotion for 1 hand. Find a crowded table with 1 empty seat. Sit down for just one hand, play the promotion, get up and leave. As I left a table after 1 hand, I could hear a player say I messed up the deck. LOL.
Play dark side craps. Could care less if shooters believe I "CAUSED them to lose"
All totally absurd. Might as well believe in the boogeyman.

What little live blackjack I've played all the heat for the way I played came from the players not the pit.

Quote: mickeycrimm

What little live blackjack I've played all the heat for the way I played came from the players not the pit.

It doesn't surprise me. To be a good blackjack card counter means that you will have to "play wrong" sometimes. Sometimes you will need to: 1. Enter mid-shoe 2. Play according to basic strategy (even if it results in "taking the dealer's bust card" 3. Make a variation in basic strategy 4. Leave mid-shoe. Average, unskilled players believe that the only way to "properly" count cards is to wait for a new shoe, play the way that everyone else wants you to play (even if it violates BS) and stay for the entire shoe. If you do that, you will probably need to spread your bets at least 10 to 1, which is very risky for a player with a small bankroll. Are YOU comfortable with the possibility of losing $500 (after a double or split) in one round at a $25 table? Also, that type of play makes it very obvious, even in a shoe game, that you're counting!
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I'll sometimes ask the dealer or other players what I should do. Usually someone will get it right. If not I just say I had a hunch. They love it when you take one for the "team". :-)

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I'll sometimes ask the dealer or other players what I should do. Usually someone will get it right. If not I just say I had a hunch. They love it when you take one for the "team". :-)

I as just going to say something similar. Even ask the dealer, if they get it wrong, just smile and say, maybe ill do the opposite this time since you do work for the house. Who can argue with that?

Some counters look like counters, they are very quite, dry and mechanical(it creates tension) . Loosen up, talk to the dealer, joke, be friendly.

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I'll sometimes ask the dealer or other players what I should do. Usually someone will get it right. If not I just say I had a hunch. They love it when you take one for the "team". :-)

This is definitely a pro tactic that works amazingly well =).

The rude comment I heard just last week wasn't directed at me, but I hate it when players badger someone whom just clearly doesn't know basic strategy, or if they badger the dealer. When it just gets too disrespectful I personally feel I must say something. Like if a player is yelling at a dealer blaming them for the cards/not busting/etc and they say something like "you're the shittiest dealer in here! you suck you can't give me one good hand!" Out of decency I generally won't let that go and will 'politely' inform either the player or the dealer that anyone with half a brain knows the cards are all sitting in the shoe and no magician re-arranges them based on who's pulling them out.

So last week, some kid has 12 to dealer 5 and takes a hit. He didn't know basic strategy, nor was he counting (I can assure you). He just saw 12 as a weak hand and wanted a card. The guy tried to, of course, talk him out of it, but he wanted a card. I didn't say anything, as I usually don't unless asked (after all the hit is just as likely to help me as hurt). Well, of course this time it hurt and he took the dealers "bust" card. The guy gets all upset (the guy was betting a whopping $15) and looks at the kid and says "You are a moron and that is one of the stupidest things you could do." Then looks over to me and smirks and says "Am I right?!?!" I simple said "The stupidest thing you could do is make fun of someone else when you yourself don't even know how to play basic strategy." The dealer smirked, and the idiot surprisingly shut up. and the next shoe he re-bought 3 times and left with nothing

I just can't stand when people are complete assholes to strangers for no good reason (because 99% of the time they themselves don't even know BS).

Quote: Romes

This is definitely a pro tactic that works amazingly well =).

The rude comment I heard just last week wasn't directed at me, but I hate it when players badger someone whom just clearly doesn't know basic strategy, or if they badger the dealer. When it just gets too disrespectful I personally feel I must say something. Like if a player is yelling at a dealer blaming them for the cards/not busting/etc and they say something like "you're the shittiest dealer in here! you suck you can't give me one good hand!" Out of decency I generally won't let that go and will 'politely' inform either the player or the dealer that anyone with half a brain knows the cards are all sitting in the shoe and no magician re-arranges them based on who's pulling them out.

So last week, some kid has 12 to dealer 5 and takes a hit. He didn't know basic strategy, nor was he counting (I can assure you). He just saw 12 as a weak hand and wanted a card. The guy tried to, of course, talk him out of it, but he wanted a card. I didn't say anything, as I usually don't unless asked (after all the hit is just as likely to help me as hurt). Well, of course this time it hurt and he took the dealers "bust" card. The guy gets all upset (the guy was betting a whopping $15) and looks at the kid and says "You are a moron and that is one of the stupidest things you could do." Then looks over to me and smirks and says "Am I right?!?!" I simple said "The stupidest thing you could do is make fun of someone else when you yourself don't even know how to play basic strategy." The dealer smirked, and the idiot surprisingly shut up. and the next shoe he re-bought 3 times and left with nothing

I just can't stand when people are complete assholes to strangers for no good reason (because 99% of the time they themselves don't even know BS).

The other situations I hate is when its super high count and someone causes a scene, last time me and my partner won a hand not using BS, but ofc everyone else busted so its our fault for not busting when we knew the dealer would bust right? (Stupid reasoning) So this woman starts yelling and I recite BS for my hand and tell her I didn't feel right about the hit but it wont happen again (trying to be a nice guy). Well next hand I play BS so she will shut up and get 21, but my partner looks her straight in the eye and follows I18 rather then BS..... She immediately BLEW UP in outrage and we had to leave immediately after the hand because her husband came over and started outraging with her and made me and my counting partner feel in danger....

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The other situations I hate is when its super high count and someone causes a scene, last time me and my partner won a hand not using BS, but ofc everyone else busted so its our fault for not busting when we knew the dealer would bust right? (Stupid reasoning) So this woman starts yelling and I recite BS for my hand and tell her I didn't feel right about the hit but it wont happen again (trying to be a nice guy). Well next hand I play BS so she will shut up and get 21, but my partner looks her straight in the eye and follows I18 rather then BS..... She immediately BLEW UP in outrage and we had to leave immediately after the hand because her husband came over and started outraging with her and made me and my counting partner feel in danger....

I would have gotten my next hand, asked them what to do, then immediately done the opposite. While not trying to sound arrogant, I will never let another player intimidate me, and have little reason to feel very intimidated. Don't get me wrong, I'll leave as to avoid my name coming up with the PB, but not before f**king up as many hands as I feel I can get away with before the PB wants more info on me (if it was that bad of a situation -- generally I'll just ignore a whiner and keep playing).

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Quote: Romes

This is definitely a pro tactic that works amazingly well =).

The rude comment I heard just last week wasn't directed at me, but I hate it when players badger someone whom just clearly doesn't know basic strategy, or if they badger the dealer. When it just gets too disrespectful I personally feel I must say something. Like if a player is yelling at a dealer blaming them for the cards/not busting/etc and they say something like "you're the shittiest dealer in here! you suck you can't give me one good hand!" Out of decency I generally won't let that go and will 'politely' inform either the player or the dealer that anyone with half a brain knows the cards are all sitting in the shoe and no magician re-arranges them based on who's pulling them out.

So last week, some kid has 12 to dealer 5 and takes a hit. He didn't know basic strategy, nor was he counting (I can assure you). He just saw 12 as a weak hand and wanted a card. The guy tried to, of course, talk him out of it, but he wanted a card. I didn't say anything, as I usually don't unless asked (after all the hit is just as likely to help me as hurt). Well, of course this time it hurt and he took the dealers "bust" card. The guy gets all upset (the guy was betting a whopping $15) and looks at the kid and says "You are a moron and that is one of the stupidest things you could do." Then looks over to me and smirks and says "Am I right?!?!" I simple said "The stupidest thing you could do is make fun of someone else when you yourself don't even know how to play basic strategy." The dealer smirked, and the idiot surprisingly shut up. and the next shoe he re-bought 3 times and left with nothing

I just can't stand when people are complete assholes to strangers for no good reason (because 99% of the time they themselves don't even know BS).

The other situations I hate is when its super high count and someone causes a scene, last time me and my partner won a hand not using BS, but ofc everyone else busted so its our fault for not busting when we knew the dealer would bust right? (Stupid reasoning) So this woman starts yelling and I recite BS for my hand and tell her I didn't feel right about the hit but it wont happen again (trying to be a nice guy). Well next hand I play BS so she will shut up and get 21, but my partner looks her straight in the eye and follows I18 rather then BS..... She immediately BLEW UP in outrage and we had to leave immediately after the hand because her husband came over and started outraging with her and made me and my counting partner feel in danger....

Of course you're trying to stay under the radar and this was a ridiculous scene they were making, but your money is your money, and their ignorance doesn't excuse their bad manners. Play your way, and I think the most natural reaction from a non-counter is to be angry that someone else is trying to tell you how to play your cards with your money, so go ahead and be angry in return. It's real, and the casinos know a counter doesn't want the attention, so you could make that work to your advantage.

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She immediately BLEW UP in outrage and we had to leave immediately after the hand because her husband came over and started outraging with her and made me and my counting partner feel in danger....

What a pair of a-holes ! Didn't anyone in the pit say something, like "Sir, maybe it's time to call it a day" ?

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The guy gets all upset (the guy was betting a whopping $15) and looks at the kid and says
"You are a moron and that is one of the stupidest things you could do." Then looks over to me and smirks and says "Am I right?!?!" I simple said "The stupidest thing you could do is make fun of someone else when you yourself don't even know how to play basic strategy." The dealer smirked, and the idiot surprisingly shut up. and the next shoe he re-bought 3 times and left with nothing

Great (and completely honest) reply !

Not card counting, but since the trend is towards ridiculous players, I was at Palace Station recently, and this Asian kid sits down and, instead of buying in, announces he's checking out what the players are. (NOT how the table is or how we're doing.) Kind of weird, but okay... Few minutes later, he gets up and asks when the other tables are opening. Dealer looks around, and says there are spaces at four tables around us. Kid gets grouchy and leaves.

A bit later, kid sits down and buys in. Dealer asks if he was looking for the perfect table. In straight seriousness, he says he's looking for the perfect player. Dealer says that he's dealt for forty years, and you can have a perfect hand, but never a perfect player. Somebody else comments that if he's looking for perfection, he must be the next closest thing to perfection.

First hand, 11v8. And the rest of us, including the dealer, are like "Woo, double hand!". "F%^& that sh!$, against an 8? Way too dangerous!" *silence*

I cash out a few hands later to meet somebody for lunch, and he immediately dives for my seat. Turns out, I got the time wrong, so I come back after 10 minutes or so. Buy in, and I decide to double-hand since they have a limit on bet sizes for MSE. After a few hands, I'm about even, he's circling the drain and getting pissed at my doublehanding. I shrug, stack it onto a single hand and play. Blackjack on my hand, 20 on his. Dealer hits to a 21. "Every time I come to Vegas!"

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