Just an idea on a single deck 50% pen game?
Quote: tongnisounds pretty horrible. weren't you the one asking what was the optimal bet size with a $200 bankroll? did you hit the lottery since then?
I ask things in theory for people other then myself who's questions I can't answer... so I never stated that it is my money I have in question in my posts.... Most of my questions come from things that I get asked and have no answer for, and therefor turn to the community.
Quote: OzzyOsbourneNot only would you most likely get backed off right away, the dealer is going to shuffle on you if you are betting 5-25 dollars then start betting 100, much less 200.
So on that final hand if we throw out big bets the dealer can shuffle rather then play out the final hand? Learn something new every day never seen a live shuffle before cut card, thanks for the knowledge!
Quote: avenged43So on that final hand if we throw out big bets the dealer can shuffle rather then play out the final hand? Learn something new every day never seen a live shuffle before cut card, thanks for the knowledge!
You're right, the dealer won't shuffle on his/her own unless they're instructed to. But the pit can and will tell the dealer to shuffle more often if they suspect counting.
Why play such a miserable game when there's plenty of double deck games you can play instead and where your card counting is going to be a lot less transparent than spreading 5 - 200
Quote: sc15You're right, the dealer won't shuffle on his/her own unless they're instructed to. But the pit can and will tell the dealer to shuffle more often if they suspect counting.
Why play such a miserable game when there's plenty of double deck games you can play instead and where your card counting is going to be a lot less transparent than spreading 5 - 200
all of our DD is 50% pen here =/
Quote: avenged43all of our DD is 50% pen here =/
That's 10x better than SD 6:5.
I would get there early in the morning, no players.
Single deck all to myself. Very light low roller spread, 5 to 10 dollars, ocasionally 15.
They were giving me about 80% pen :-)
Will be playing there again in 2 1/2 weeks :-)
Quote: avenged43...If you didnt care about getting backed off or anything along those lines I was wondering if me and a fellow counter ran hands up to ~22 cards looking for a good count opportunity and counting the aces when the table was just us 2 then spread to table max hands (3 or 4 each) with obviously huge spread could we turn it into a winning game? ...
If you did your homework or took my suggestion to read my other thread which I explain calculating EV, gain per hand, etc, then you in fact could answer this question =), and it would be easy!
All you would have to do is pop open a benchmark excel document, modify the HE and bet spread, and boom... You'll know what spread gets you what expected hourly EV. Don't be intimated by "doing the math." You really aren't doing a lot of math... more just setting up an excel sheet to do the math one time, then it's plug and chug the rest of your life and you'll have all the numbers you could want for any known game / situation!
Quote: RomesIf you did your homework or took my suggestion to read my other thread which I explain calculating EV, gain per hand, etc, then you in fact could answer this question =), and it would be easy!
All you would have to do is pop open a benchmark excel document, modify the HE and bet spread, and boom... You'll know what spread gets you what expected hourly EV. Don't be intimated by "doing the math." You really aren't doing a lot of math... more just setting up an excel sheet to do the math one time, then it's plug and chug the rest of your life and you'll have all the numbers you could want for any known game / situation!
Haha forgot I bookmarked it!!!! Got my excel open now!
Quote: avenged43Haha forgot I bookmarked it!!!! Got my excel open now!
Then you should very soon be able to answer your own thread =). Post back with the results!
Quote: RomesThen you should very soon be able to answer your own thread =). Post back with the results!
The answer is high risk high reward :D Also the DD game is sadly a 25 min so with limit on bankroll the ROR is super high ! :{ Best one to go with is the 75% pen 6 deck :]
Quote: avenged43The answer is high risk high reward :D Also the DD game is sadly a 25 min so with limit on bankroll the ROR is super high ! :{ Best one to go with is the 75% pen 6 deck :]
Whatever level of RoR you're willing to play with is of course up to you... but don't forget there's always another option to not play and build an appropriate bankroll while you practice =). I'm glad you were able to run some numbers and play with them to determine the best game/spread!
Quote: terapinedCouple months ago, was playing at the El Cortez.
I would get there early in the morning, no players.
Single deck all to myself. Very light low roller spread, 5 to 10 dollars, ocasionally 15.
They were giving me about 80% pen :-)
Will be playing there again in 2 1/2 weeks :-)
How can you possibly hope to make any significant money betting 5-15? El Cortez is beatable by flat-betting and using comp-dependent strategy. Would they kick someone out if they flat betted $200?
Quote: arcticfunHow can you possibly hope to make any significant money betting 5-15? El Cortez is beatable by flat-betting and using comp-dependent strategy. Would they kick someone out if they flat betted $200?
I gamble for fun. Light low roller spread just to even up odds a bit. No interest in heat because that's one of the hotels I'll be staying at in a couple weeks.
No way would you be kicked out flat betting any amount.
Quote: arcticfunHow can you possibly hope to make any significant money betting 5-15? El Cortez is beatable by flat-betting and using comp-dependent strategy. Would they kick someone out if they flat betted $200?
Yes, if that player was winning. I've seen it happen more than once to a non counter whose only "crime" was winning. There's no rhyme or reason to their madness. On the single deck I've been backed off spreading 1-4 and left alone spreading 1-8. I never use cover there and I always go all out. The results can be surprising. I've also gotten heat at the cage.
A 1-2 spread could probably beat that game and it can be made to look like parlaying.
