Surrender

I play blackjack at the hard Rock casino in Vancouver. I'd like to know when you should surrender vs a dealer ace. The dealer doesn't have a hole card. Everybody makes their move then the dealer gets its cards. And if you surrender and he gets a blackjack you lose your whole bet. I'm not quite sure what that's called early surrender or late surrender. Any help would be appreciated

Quote: ndionne7

I play blackjack at the hard Rock casino in Vancouver. I'd like to know when you should surrender vs a dealer ace. The dealer doesn't have a hole card. Everybody makes their move then the dealer gets its cards. And if you surrender and he gets a blackjack you lose your whole bet. I'm not quite sure what that's called early surrender or late surrender. Any help would be appreciated

Losing your whole bet on a dealer blackjack, makes it late surrender, despite that the hand is played out slightly differently because of no hole card.

Assuming it's dealer hit soft 17, basic strategy surrenders vs dealer ace are 16, 17, 8,8 (different than 16). If it is the less common stand soft 17, you surrender only the 16, not 17, nor 8,8 variety 16. The 15 vs ace surrender is borderline basic strategy. I wait til plus counts. Not going to make a big difference either way, you do it (basic or plus 1).

Quote: kewlj

Losing your whole bet on a dealer blackjack, makes it late surrender, despite that the hand is played out slightly differently because of no hole card.

Assuming it's dealer hit soft 17, basic strategy surrenders vs dealer ace are 16, 17, 8,8 (different than 16). If it is the less common stand soft 17, you surrender only the 16, not 17, nor 8,8 variety 16. The 15 vs ace surrender is borderline basic strategy. I wait til plus counts. Not going to make a big difference either way, you do it (basic or plus 1).

Another factor with 8,8 vs. A and it being a no-hole-card game is do you lose only your original bet after doubling or splitting if the dealer gets a BJ, or do you lose all the bets (ENHC style)? If the latter then 8,8 vs. A is a surrender whether the game is S17 or H17 (since you wouldn't split the pair under BS even without surrender). If the former then the strategy is the same as under the usual American rules (as kewlj described).

It is a game where the dealer only takes your original bet if you split.. I've been told to surrender everything except for 8,9,10,11 an obviously 18 and above against an ace. Is that correct strategy only when dealer doesn't take all your money with blackjack?

Quote: ndionne7

It is a game where the dealer only takes your original bet if you split.. I've been told to surrender everything except for 8,9,10,11 an obviously 18 and above against an ace. Is that correct strategy only when dealer doesn't take all your money with blackjack?

That's the strategy for EARLY surrender (where if you surrender and the dealer gets a BJ you're still out only half your bet) - if the rules stipulate that your whole bet is lost upon a dealer BJ then that mimics LATE surrender (and you should follow the strategy kewlj described, and when looking up the strategy follow the option for late surrender).

So when I'm looking up strategy, should I choose peek(us style) or no peek (European style)?

Quote: ndionne7

So when I'm looking up strategy, should I choose peek(us style) or no peek (European style)?

That depends what happens to your bet when you split or double down, and the dealer gets a blackjack.
You already said that you only lose the original wager when you split. What about double down ?
If you also lose only the original wager on a double down, you are playing US style and should use that basic strategy.