sbs5242
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June 11th, 2014 at 6:44:35 PM permalink
There are these church carnivals near me, I live in Western New York, which offer the Big Six wheel and blackjack,

The rules that they offer are:

Double on 9,10,11
Blackjack pays 2-1
Resplit Aces up to 4 hands
Stand Soft 17

$1 min - $5 Max

But the main thing is that the house wins pushes.

How does this affect the house edge, does the 2-1 on a blackjack offset the house winning pushes?
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June 11th, 2014 at 6:47:25 PM permalink
Quote: sbs5242

There are these church carnivals near me, I live in Western New York, which offer the Big Six wheel and blackjack,

The rules that they offer are:

Double on 9,10,11
Blackjack pays 2-1
Resplit Aces up to 4 hands
Stand Soft 17

$1 min - $5 Max

But the main thing is that the house wins pushes.

How does this affect the house edge, does the 2-1 on a blackjack offset the house winning pushes?



Not remotely close. The house winning pushes is worth over 9%, and requires significant strategy changes.

Any game where the house wins pushes is a scam. You may as well go play some rip-off carnie game.
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June 11th, 2014 at 7:55:03 PM permalink
They have these same rules at the yearly "feasts" that come around NYC. It's run by the churches. The only differences are that the BJ is 2-20 and the tables are always full.
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June 12th, 2014 at 6:00:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Not remotely close. The house winning pushes is worth over 9%, and requires significant strategy changes.

Any game where the house wins pushes is a scam. You may as well go play some rip-off carnie game.



What kind of strategy changes?
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June 12th, 2014 at 7:09:15 AM permalink
Exist the building. Don't feed the trolls yhe BJ trolls that is. If people like YOU refuse to Play horrible games they will have yo offer better games.
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June 12th, 2014 at 10:16:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Exist the building. Don't feed the trolls yhe BJ trolls that is. If people like YOU refuse to Play horrible games they will have yo offer better games.



It's for a church. It's a fund raiser, not an AP opportunity.


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June 12th, 2014 at 12:15:27 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It's for a church. It's a fund raiser, not an AP opportunity.



Every casino is a fund raiser. Where the funds being raised are going is irrelevant.
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June 12th, 2014 at 1:31:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Where the funds being raised are going is irrelevant.



Totally disagree.
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June 12th, 2014 at 1:37:39 PM permalink
For a six-deck game, assuming DAS and no LSR, the house edge is 7.1527% using total dependent basic strategy. Composition dependent strategy will get you down to 7.1517%.
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June 12th, 2014 at 1:44:18 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Totally disagree.



You can donate 5 dollars directly to the church instead of wasting your time with a stupid game.
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June 12th, 2014 at 10:22:00 PM permalink
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June 12th, 2014 at 10:26:16 PM permalink
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Why just give it to them? Make them earn it.



You'll lose less just giving them five bucks.
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June 12th, 2014 at 10:32:14 PM permalink
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June 12th, 2014 at 11:24:28 PM permalink
AoS says that the tie lose rule equates to 9% for the house. Add on the strategy changes that will likely get screwed up and that he will probably want to play a decent length of time and it's a recipe for disaster.
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June 12th, 2014 at 11:31:44 PM permalink
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