Unlimited Blackjack

Hi there Vegas Wizards! A few live casinos offer unlimited blackjack. You can place up to 5 simultaneous bets and an unlimited number of players may also bet on the same hands. It seems quite interesting. Does anyone know the casino hold percentage for this game? Seems fun, but is it profitable enough?

This place includes a few rules of their rules

and another offers it but no specific rules:


Good luck at the tables!

Quote: LMyztik

Hi there Vegas Wizards! A few live casinos offer unlimited blackjack. You can place up to 5 simultaneous bets and an unlimited number of players may also bet on the same hands. It seems quite interesting. Does anyone know the casino hold percentage for this game? Seems fun, but is it profitable enough?

This place includes a few rules of their rules
http://livecasino.winner.com/live-unlimited-blackjack

and another offers it but no specific rules:

http://casino.bet365.com/GamesHelp.aspx?GameId=ubjl

Good luck at the tables!

I'm a bit confused who controls the hits and stands? Each person gets to hit and stand and separate cards complete their hand? Where do the cards come from?

This is a game by Playtech.

The house edge is about 0.42%

The other Playtech live tables have a house edge of about 0.52%.

The difference comes from the option to surrender, instead of split, some pairs and lose only 20% of your original bet.

So, when playing Playtech live BJ, the unlimited variant should be your first choice.

VPRookie

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I'm a bit confused who controls the hits and stands? Each person gets to hit and stand and separate cards complete their hand? Where do the cards come from?

"If two players are playing on the same position, one may choose to Stand and the other may choose to Hit. In this case, the dealer will deal another card to the position, but the player who chose to stand will not receive the card."

So it's like playing a dozen burn cards per hand...

Very nice response VPRookie! I will certainly consider this as my first choice.

By the way, where does this percentage come from? Just curious, it was almost impossible for me to find that information. As someone mentioned, there would be several cards "burned" because some players will hit while others stand. How would this affect the house edge?

Makes no difference. The cards are in random order.

Quote: VPRookie

This is a game by Playtech.

The house edge is about 0.42%

The other Playtech live tables have a house edge of about 0.52%.

The difference comes from the option to surrender, instead of split, some pairs and lose only 20% of your original bet.

So, when playing Playtech live BJ, the unlimited variant should be your first choice.

VPRookie

Where does that 0.42% house edge come from? Just curious.

Also, I found that William Hill, BetFred and Bet365 is supposed to offer it, according to this web site:

but I couldn't even find the rules in their respective web sites.

Quote: LMyztik

Where does that 0.42% house edge come from? Just curious.

Also, I found that William Hill, BetFred and Bet365 is supposed to offer it, according to this web site:
http://www.livedealer.org/blog/2011/02/unlimited-live-blackjack/

but I couldn't even find the rules in their respective web sites.

Well, the main rules are 8-Deck, ENHC, S17, DOA, DAS.
These rules give the house about 0.6% advantage.

But when one doubles vs 10 and dealer gets a BJ only original bet is lost. This lessens the house edge by 0.08%.

Along with this player can early surrender any pair that should be split according to hole card basic strategy. When one surrenders a pair he loses only 20% of his original bet. This makes surrendering some pairs too advantageous. The pairs that should be surrendered are: 6-6 vs 2; 8-8 vs 9; 8-8 vs 10, 8-8 vs A; A-A vs A. Surrendering these pairs improve player’s chances by 0.1%.

0.6 - 0.08 - 0.1 = 0.42%

Any live casino powered by Playtech should have this game, because one table is used by many casinos at a time. But, unfortunately, you can chat only to the dealer and the players from your casino or at least this was the case when I last played this game.

Hope this helps!

VPRookie

Quote: VPRookie

The house edge is about 0.42%

By the way, 0.42% is a theoretical result. This is when dealer shuffles after every hand and some plays are according to the composition of the hand. In 8-deck game the difference between total and composition dependant basic strategy is insignificant (about 0.0013%). So, for more realistic results, the house edge should be increased by 0.02% to take into account the cut card effect. So, if you play correctly you should fight against a house edge of about 0.44%.

Thanks for the suggestion... I liked the game. It is usually my first option when I play at some live casinos. It apparently has basic strategy applied if I do not make any decision so although a little more profitable than regular blackjack (considering I am making 5 bets per hand and some splits), it can be very monotonous, not quite as much but in a way, similar to playing "slots" or video poker. Do you know what I mean? I read that it is easier to count cards in this one, is it true? That might spicy things (and profits) up a little. Does anyone know?

AA v A should be split if this is an OBO game.

House edge is whatever they choose to make it

House edge is about .2%