CVDATA
Quote: SonuvabishDoes anyone have CVDATA? I am looking for someone who can generate multi-parameter side count multipliers for hi-lo indices in 6D standard rules. PM for details.
Why would anyone agree to do this non-trivial task for you when you could purchase the software yourself? Are you offering anything in return for the time and effort involved?
Any half-serious card counter should own the software. It's not expensive when you look at how much it can help your game. Just buy it and do it yourself.
They are talking about Casino Verite a site that offers various software modules.
I think the one they want is called Data and sells for 160.00.
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They are talking about Casino Verite a site that offers various software modules.
I think the one they want is called Data and sells for 160.00.
qfit.com order page. CVData is $160. I got it with CVCX for a combined price of $195. In retrospect, I do wish I had gotten the full practice & research package. Currently I don't own CVBJ (the practice software, not simulations). I practice with a physical shoe for the most part, which does allow me to make sure I have the count right (by counting down the rest of the deck after the cut card). What it doesn't do is ensure that I've made all of the correct BS decisions. I'm fairly confident in my BS, but it never hurts to verify.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI own a shoe, 8 decks, a layout. Total cost under $40. Sure it's slower, but works just as good.
You managed to get the indexes for a multi parameter count using just a shoe?
I hope that is a joke of some sort.Quote: IbeatyouracesI'd rather work at Wendy's.
Quote: AcesAndEightsqfit.com order page. CVData is $160. I got it with CVCX for a combined price of $195. In retrospect, I do wish I had gotten the full practice & research package. Currently I don't own CVBJ (the practice software, not simulations). I practice with a physical shoe for the most part, which does allow me to make sure I have the count right (by counting down the rest of the deck after the cut card). What it doesn't do is ensure that I've made all of the correct BS decisions. I'm fairly confident in my BS, but it never hurts to verify.
Yah, Norm will hook you up for whatever you need. I used it to #A-5 into the ground 20 Billion back in '04. I always "knew" it had a small advantage at 6d S17. Now heres proof. Worth the $200. BTW link to my pdf is here.
Quote: AcesAndEightsWhy would anyone agree to do this non-trivial task for you when you could purchase the software yourself? Are you offering anything in return for the time and effort involved?
Any half-serious card counter should own the software. It's not expensive when you look at how much it can help your game. Just buy it and do it yourself.
I don't have CVDATA, I have a less intensive program. DATA is the only program I know of that could maybe do what I want. And in my opinion, unless you have a specific question, software is a waste of money. Many newbies buy it because they wrongly believe it will help them when they don't even know basic, and many others have it who aren't that good, claim it is an absolute necessity. Some people constantly have questions, others respect software designers. I have no idea where you fall, but rest assured, I hardly ever use the software I do own. The few times I did was for questions I couldn't answer on my own because they were too complex...the result was that it didn't matter what strategy I used because the difference was insignificant. If you are a half-way serious player, you are not dependent on software...and may or may not find it useful. You are verifying you are making correct BS decisions. If you wish to consider yourself a serious player, and myself an amateur, be my guest.
From what I understand of the software, and from my use of similar software, it is a trivial task. They would agree to do it if they want to, I certainly would run anything I am capable of...I am not asking you. If I thought it was worth the money, I would buy it.
Quote: SonuvabishI don't have CVDATA, I have a less intensive program. DATA is the only program I know of that could maybe do what I want. And in my opinion, unless you have a specific question, software is a waste of money. Many newbies buy it because they wrongly believe it will help them when they don't even know basic, and many others have it who aren't that good, claim it is an absolute necessity. Some people constantly have questions, others respect software designers. I have no idea where you fall, but rest assured, I hardly ever use the software I do own. The few times I did was for questions I couldn't answer on my own because they were too complex...the result was that it didn't matter what strategy I used because the difference was insignificant. If you are a half-way serious player, you are not dependent on software...and may or may not find it useful.
I found the opposite to be true. We read in books how important penetration is to CC or how important (or not important) certain rules are, but they are almost always graphed in these books with variables that are not specific to you.
Different rules have different effects on the game. It's not fair to say "LS is super important" or "RSA is barely important" if you don't know what the penetration is. If penetration is deep, RSA and LS are more important (more so than normal). If penetration is really bad, then base HE is really important.
Reading or doing research, you are likely not going to get the proper info you need. If you actually sim the game, you'll not only learn what your EV/SD/CE/ROR/etc. Are, but you can also learn how much different rules impact different games.
Quote: RSI found the opposite to be true. We read in books how important penetration is to CC or how important (or not important) certain rules are, but they are almost always graphed in these books with variables that are not specific to you.
Different rules have different effects on the game. It's not fair to say "LS is super important" or "RSA is barely important" if you don't know what the penetration is. If penetration is deep, RSA and LS are more important (more so than normal). If penetration is really bad, then base HE is really important.
Reading or doing research, you are likely not going to get the proper info you need. If you actually sim the game, you'll not only learn what your EV/SD/CE/ROR/etc. Are, but you can also learn how much different rules impact different games.
All of this information is already known. I have not found any practical information from a sim that I did not first find in research. Research is often based on sims or algebraic approximation. Unless I have a specific question that changes some convention, I doubt a sim will ever be of much value to me. I have run sims to compare games, that's about all (never surprised)...why would I microscopically examine each metric? /And for that matter, you don't need to buy books either. Pretty much everything you need is free. I have one book. Downloaded. Probably wasn't supposed to be free. About a hundred Hi-lo indices are online, the veracity of which are easily cross-checked. Not to take away from a method you prefer. Just suggesting that others feel differently...and a 'half-way' serious counter isn't someone who needs software, while not being 100% sure on basic strategy.
