Greasyjohn
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April 5th, 2014 at 8:29:21 AM permalink
There is a blackjack scenario where you play a hand and I think you split a pair and because, in this particular game you're only allowed to DD on a 10 or 11, and because you assumed your ace was a 1 and not an eleven, or visa versa that now you couldn't double because you could not now assume your ace was different from what it was when you started your hand. I know this is written poorly and probably incorrectly; I just can't remember how this play was composed. I only remember fragmented pieces. Does anyone recall this weird Reno casino rule that I'm trying to recall?
kewlj
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April 5th, 2014 at 9:17:21 AM permalink
I was once playing a double 9,10,11 game and doubled my A8 vs dealer 6. I drew a 2 thinking I had 21, but they would only count it as 11 because for it to be a 21, I would have had to double a 19 and that is not allowed. I was pissed! Clearly that changes the soft 19 double strategy. lol
Greasyjohn
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April 5th, 2014 at 9:24:36 AM permalink
I just figured it out. There was a casino in Reno I believe, where you could only double on 9,10 or 11. If you doubled with a ace, 8 and caught a 2 the casino would consider your final hand a 11 since you doubled with 9 requiring that your ace be treated as 1 before the double. The casino would not let you then consider the ace as an 11 to make your outcome a 21.
Greasyjohn
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April 5th, 2014 at 9:38:57 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I was once playing a double 9,10,11 game and doubled my A8 vs dealer 6. I drew a 2 thinking I had 21, but they would only count it as 11 because for it to be a 21, I would have had to double a 19 and that is not allowed. I was pissed! Clearly that changes the soft 19 double strategy. lol

I wrote that I figured it out at the same time you replied. We must have been writing at the same time. It is a curious play that can only happen on a double-with-9 hand. We'll, you could double with a blackjack but that would be crazy. Doubling with 9, ace wouldn't create the unfavorable scenario because if you catch an ace you'd have a 21 and your starting hand would still be 10. Same thing if you caught a 10, your starting hand would still total 10. I guess if you're playing at a double 9,10,11 game and the count says that you should double with an 8,ace you could ask the dealer "if I double down and draw a 2 would my hand total 21?" The scrutiny you would place on yourself by asking the question wouldn't be worth it. Plus, it gives the house a chance to consider a question they might not have contemplated until you brought it up. Seems to me it would be better to just double and go with the outcome--you're going to double anyway, because a 2 is the only card that produces this strange scenario.
Greasyjohn
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April 5th, 2014 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I was once playing a double 9,10,11 game and doubled my A8 vs dealer 6. I drew a 2 thinking I had 21, but they would only count it as 11 because for it to be a 21, I would have had to double a 19 and that is not allowed. I was pissed! Clearly that changes the soft 19 double strategy. lol

Do you remember which casino this was? Do any other casinos that you're aware of have this same rule?
kewlj
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April 5th, 2014 at 10:15:20 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Do you remember which casino this was? Do any other casinos that you're aware of have this same rule?

I don't remember, and it wasn't that long ago, so that's kind of embarrassing. It wasn't Reno though. It was the first year after I moved to Vegas, 2010, I took a trip around rural Nevada for a couple weeks, hitting a ton of small out of the way places. It was one of those places that have nothing higher than green chips in the rack and really if you played green you stood out big time.
Greasyjohn
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