translucentz
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:53:03 PM permalink
Using this to calculate oddswhich use this when playing if it is a negative does that mean there is no house edge or I have the edge? Thanks.
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:55:02 PM permalink
Quote: translucentz

Using this to calculate odds https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/ which use this when playing https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/ if it is a negative does that mean there is no house edge or I have the edge? Thanks.



I will look, but usually - means there is a house edge, not a player edge. Depends on how it's presented.

Edit; in the first link, the house edge is expressed as a positive. So when there is a player edge, it is a negative in that calculator. Checking the other....

The second link just tells you strategy, doesn't determine house edge, based on what you put in for the game.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 14th, 2013 at 6:59:54 PM permalink
Ok thanks what the second is,is just the strategy that you are suppose to use. But how can I have the edge using this? The house always has the edge don't they? So you are telling me since the game I am playing shows negative I can just bet $1 each hand 10000 times and end in profit? Thanks.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:03:34 PM permalink
Not quite sure what exactly you are asking, but unless you are counting, you will NOT have an edge. Casinos wouldn't be in business if they willingly gave players an edge.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:05:13 PM permalink
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Not quite sure what exactly you are asking, but unless you are counting, you will NOT have an edge. Casinos wouldn't be in business if they willingly gave players an edge.

That is what I am asking according to this calculator apparently I have the edge but you are right.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:08:11 PM permalink
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Ok thanks what the second is,is just the strategy that you are suppose to use. But how can I have the edge using this? The house always has the edge don't they? So you are telling me since the game I am playing shows negative I can just bet $1 each hand 10000 times and end in profit? Thanks.



It's possible that, if you can find a game where they let you use a particular combination of rules that are all to your advantage, there may be a player edge. Doubtful that the casino is dealing a game in all respects where that happens, but it's possible, I suppose. That particular calculator doesn't specify how many hands it takes to reach those house edge numbers, but the Wiz generally runs millions of hands, if not many millions, before he gives numbers that specific; the calculator is taking each element and adding or subtracting as required to give you an overall number from really large calculations of each element. Whether you end in profit or not after only 10000 hands is largely up to variance; this calculator gives you a mean amount the casino can expect over millions of hands. The point of the player using the best strategy is to start with every possible advantage, but no win is guaranteed, and the cards can run against you even if there's an overall player advantage in the way the house is dealing the game.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:10:24 PM permalink
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Not quite sure what exactly you are asking, but unless you are counting, you will NOT have an edge. Casinos wouldn't be in business if they willingly gave players an edge.



Beethoven, what I saw in that calculator, is if you set most every possible parameter to its best player advantage, theoretically there could be an overall player advantage. Nobody's dealing a game that matches up with all parameters to take it there, however, at least not that I know of.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:10:40 PM permalink
Thanks well if you want to help or care then have a look at the rules I am looking atmake sure you are looking at one deck blackjack. If I am putting it in the calculator correctly the player has the edge but you can check yourself I would appreciate it.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:19:32 PM permalink
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:23:42 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Beethoven, what I saw in that calculator, is if you set most every possible parameter to its best player advantage, theoretically there could be an overall player advantage. Nobody's dealing a game that matches up with all parameters to take it there, however, at least not that I know of.


Ah, so that's what he was asking. Thanks, I didn't understand the question at first. Going back to that link right now.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:24:22 PM permalink
From what it looks like then the calculator claims there is a player edge but who knows I think casinos can always cheat. Thanks for taking out the time to help me.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:24:55 PM permalink
By casinos I mean online casinos.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:32:30 PM permalink
Wrote a long reply then lost it before posting. Here it is in short.

1. Calculator does not have an option that matches casino's "NO resplit on any cards". This is not a player-friendly rule.

2. Calculator does not have an option that matches casino's "NO double on any hand containing an Ace". This is between "double on any" and "double on 9-10-11 only", so is a semi-bad for the player rule.

3. Casino does not explicitly state whether they hit or stand on a soft 17 in this game; if you've tried it, maybe you know the answer. If they're hitting soft 17, that alone makes it a house edge, not a player advantage game, with the other parameters we do know for sure, even using the most player-advantage calculation from above.

So I would guess it's a HE around 1.3 with optimum play, since only an estimate is possible.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:51:57 PM permalink
It is hit on 17 and thanks.
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December 14th, 2013 at 7:53:11 PM permalink
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