counting csm one2six with good rules

My rules give me off the top advantage of ~0,15%


dealer wait to deal the second round and put back the discard just before asking for additionnal cards to the players...
My idea was to play 7 boxes to get about 2 rounds latency : 7x 1/5 of my max wager at 0 and put 7 x max wager at TC1 (7xmin table if negative)


To do it correct I'm questionning about few things :


example : first round I put 7x30$ and my hilo RC go to +8 , so for the 2nd round TC= +1 and I put 7x150$.
When the dealer deal on the 2nd round the 15 cards he then put back the discard in the machin, at this moment when do I have to reset my RC ? I have to keep a new RC of the 15 cards of the second round+ additionnal card taken from the players and use this count to bet for the third round ? etc .... etc ...


I also heard one2six have a buffer of 16 cards in the chute, so how to use this addionnal information ?

Quote: bjshufflemachin

My rules give me off the top advantage of ~0,15%


dealer wait to deal the second round and put back the discard just before asking for additionnal cards to the players...
My idea was to play 7 boxes to get about 2 rounds latency : 7x 1/5 of my max wager at 0 and put 7 x max wager at TC1 (7xmin table if negative)


To do it correct I'm questionning about few things :


example : first round I put 7x30$ and my hilo RC go to +8 , so for the 2nd round TC= +1 and I put 7x150$.
When the dealer deal on the 2nd round the 15 cards he then put back the discard in the machin, at this moment when do I have to reset my RC ? I have to keep a new RC of the 15 cards of the second round+ additionnal card taken from the players and use this count to bet for the third round ? etc .... etc ...


I also heard one2six have a buffer of 16 cards in the chute, so how to use this addionnal information ?

If the game has an advantage off the top, just flat bet table max (or whatever your bankroll can handle). No point in counting, especially if it's a CSM. One round won't get you much, although with 7 hands it might get you a little.

Are you SURE about that advantage off the top? Full early surrender? Would you mind sharing the rules so we can fact-check? (Not asking you to share the casino, feel free to keep that to yourself.)

Yes full ES.

No just flatbetting would ask a huge bankroll cause of too big variance.
by adding the 2 rounds infos it beggin playable in the long long long.... run.
I will not flatbet the game, I want to get the more advantage I can by adding counting.

One time I played a CSM (for a 10x points promo that gave cashback making it +EV). The only thing counting was good for was relieving the boredom and telling me whether to hit or stand on 16v10.

I assume we are referring to the French casinos here. Yes, on a full table I just bet maximum non-stop. These rules are indeed way too favourable, but then if you see how the crowd plays overthere, they could make them even nicer by offering 3 to 2 payouts on split 10s that hit an Ace. In some of the casinos sitting alone at the table and playing fewer boxes, they will only put the cards back into the machine after a deck has gone out.

What is the current point of view of "la police des jeux" in regards to counters?

dont dream unless u got 200000US more for lost and too much time for fun

I get the same good rule as u , as the casino offer me 0.8% dead chip

also some casino saved 1 deck before shuffle for csm

I lost near 120000 US for the small advantage

What is the table max?

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

What is the table max?

In most French casinos 500 Euros. In Cannes one of them had a 2500 Euros max.

You're betting 7x$30 in ~+0.15% EV and betting 7x$150 in ~+0.65% EV?

Your EV is ~$0.31 (31 cents) per round when you're betting 7x30. EV is ~$6.85 per round when the TC is +1 (betting 7x150).

You're looking at some serious variance here and a tiny hourly wage.